YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

There weren't sufficient public funds available at the time.
As has been pointed out a billion times and more on here, that isn't true.

It's not just that it isn't how government spending works. It makes no sense in and of itself if the answer to low public funds is to saddle the future wirth debt. It's an argument that defeats itself at the first hurdle.

Blair (and Brown to a large extent) was happy to suck up to the markets and the media. They were his people, by and large, and he wasn't going to rock the boat.

Starmer is just more of the same (and a much poorer version of it).
 
Tories less than the other parties combined (other than Labour) is good to see.

Even with reform it's only 29%, and if they start to side with reform they will lose votes the other end.

I could see reform hoovering up a few more of the Tory votes and the Tories softening up a bit, moving more towards the centre. This might take a few from Labour, but it's better than the Tories being stuck as far right as they have been.
 
Their only chance really is voter suppression now. Which they are pursuing with enthusiasm of course.

I'm sure this will definitely alienate all the leave voters who "lent their vote" to Boris partly on the grounds of "protecting democracy" though. 🙄
 
Tories less than the other parties combined (other than Labour) is good to see.

Even with reform it's only 29%, and if they start to side with reform they will lose votes the other end.

I could see reform hoovering up a few more of the Tory votes and the Tories softening up a bit, moving more towards the centre. This might take a few from Labour, but it's better than the Tories being stuck as far right as they have been.
I can't see how the tories can move towards the centre anytime soon, if ever, unless they do actually split fully into 'one nation' and RWNJ full-on racist/nationalist parties. They have gone so far into xenophobic authoritarianism and corruption they cannot regain respectability and stay in one piece.
 
I can't see how the tories can move towards the centre anytime soon, if ever, unless they do actually split fully into 'one nation' and RWNJ full-on racist/nationalist parties. They have gone so far into xenophobic authoritarianism and corruption they cannot regain respectability and stay in one piece.
Yeah, I sort of think the same thing, they would need to oust quite a few of their RWNJ MP's who seem to have a lot of influence, and I don't see how that would happen before the next election.

They would surely be having conversations about how to turn this tide around, and someone must be saying (or at least thinking), "Well, half of you need to do one, as if you stay and keep us on this course then we're screwed". There aren't any more votes on the right to win, other than the 100% nutcases voting with reform, but if they pushed that direction still, then the Tories would snap in half.
 
Their only chance really is voter suppression now. Which they are pursuing with enthusiasm of course.

I'm sure this will definitely alienate all the leave voters who "lent their vote" to Boris partly on the grounds of "protecting democracy" though. 🙄
You mean by the voter i.d thing? Can still vote by post though, can't you, even if you don't have i.d?

Allowing old people to use an oyster card, and not young people is ageist though, and other crap like that.

Suppression won't do anywhere near the damage they think it will, like with the i.d, it will deter the conspiracy theorists and unicorn believers who think they're being tracked everywhere, and my bet is most of those are RWNJ's.

Then there's the fact that people are so mad with the Tories, that I expect turnout against them will be massive, yet their turnout might be low, but we'll see.
 
You mean by the voter i.d thing? Can still vote by post though, can't you, even if you don't have i.d?

Allowing old people to use an oyster card, and not young people is ageist though, and other crap like that.

Suppression won't do anywhere near the damage they think it will, like with the i.d, it will deter the conspiracy theorists and unicorn believers who think they're being tracked everywhere, and my bet is most of those are RWNJ's.

Then there's the fact that people are so mad with the Tories, that I expect turnout against them will be massive, yet their turnout might be low, but we'll see.
I got a letter from the Lib Dems a few weeks ago with an application form for postal voting along with a letter about voter suppression, so fair play to them.

I'll be voting in person though. I'm hoping there is a tory exit poler outside the voting station. I will ask them for ID then call the police on them as they won't have the correct ID for my requirements :sneaky:
 
I got a letter from the Lib Dems a few weeks ago with an application form for postal voting along with a letter about voter suppression, so fair play to them.

I'll be voting in person though. I'm hoping there is a tory exit poler outside the voting station. I will ask them for ID then call the police on them as they won't have the correct ID for my requirements :sneaky:
I got a vote confirmation letter about a week ago from the electoral commission, could send the form back to change it to a postal vote.

Our lass does postal vote, and I filled the form in to change mine over to postal, but I put today's date in the box which was meant to be for my birthday, and had no way of correcting it, so looks like I'm going in person :LOL:
 
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