Is Tyson Fury the biggest fraud in boxing?

You don’t though, regardless of what happens with Fury vs Usyk which isn’t what I was referring to with that post. Your level of knowledge about Boxing and how it works is embarrassing for someone who talks so much.
What have I said that has made you draw this conclusion? Because the majority of what I have posted has been proven to be true.

I did get it wrong when I said that Usyk would never fight for 30%. I'm still surprised that he did accept that split but in reality I think Usyk knew by that point that Fury wasn't taking the fight and he was publicly bluffing him.

You amongst a couple of others got a bit personal when Fury got bluffed, at least hold your hands up lads and say you got it wrong.
 
What have I said that has made you draw this conclusion? Because the majority of what I have posted has been proven to be true.

I did get it wrong when I said that Usyk would never fight for 30%. I'm still surprised that he did accept that split but in reality I think Usyk knew by that point that Fury wasn't taking the fight and he was publicly bluffing him.

You amongst a couple of others got a bit personal when Fury got bluffed, at least hold your hands up lads and say you got it wrong.
Got what wrong? Don't think I've ever said the fight would happen. I did think it was funny when Usyk accepted but that's about it.

They're my 2 favourite boxers, I have no side in this. I just hop in here every now to watch people get themselves all worked up, it's entertaining.
 
Your level of knowledge about Boxing and how it works is embarrassing for someone who talks so much
Well since you've picked me to get personal on, explain this.

Because as far as I can see I've called it pretty much bang on. Apart from the one or two posts where I said Usyk wouldn't fight for 30%.

And there's plenty of boxing fans/pundits/ex pros getting annoyed with Fury. He's totally lost respect of the UK boxing fanbase. If he didn't want the fight, he should have just came out and said it like Usyk did after the AJ fight. Usyk is 36? year old, he doesn't have months to waste with a clown like Fury if he has no intentions of fighting. He's now saying he won't get out for a fight until June/July time at the earliest.

I get that you think Fury is great etc. But surely you can see the way he has handled himself here is a disgrace.
 
I wonder if Dubois will take the fight... He will get totally embarressed by Usyk.
Then Joyce may get his chance back end of the year.

Will be between Joyce and Hrgovic to face him after he walks past Dubois. Pitty Joyce couldnt face him instead of Zhang to tie that loose end up as would be an easy fight Hrgovic is massively over rated and should of had a loss against Zhang.
 
Will be between Joyce and Hrgovic to face him after he walks past Dubois. Pitty Joyce couldnt face him instead of Zhang to tie that loose end up as would be an easy fight Hrgovic is massively over rated and should of had a loss against Zhang.
Yeah, out of the three mandatories, the only one who could give him a fight is Joyce really and Usyk will be too good for him I would think. Can see that being similar to Usyk/AJ apart from Joyce may test his engine a bit more.

Joyce could be next, because Dubois might not take the fight. He's not confirmed himself fit to fight yet. Surely his team know he's nowhere near ready for that fight.
 
Oh yeah, I stopped seriously posting about boxing on here years ago, I'll dip in every now and then for a laugh but for the most part I can't be bothered.

I don't even follow the sport that closely anymore to be honest, got bored of all the tripe surrounding it. I used to be a regular poster on some of the boxing forums but even they got infested with the nonsense in the end and it put me off the sport.
I'll dip in every now and then for a laugh but for the most part I can't be bothered.

would be great if you go to the 'can't be bothered' part a bit more

cheers
 
Looks like Tyson or his advisors are asking for too much - not content with the lions share in the first fight I suspect they are asking for at least fifty fifty on a rematch. Finally usyks team have balked and walked. (Just my guess at what’s going on behind the scenes based upon the bits I’ve read)
 
Looks like Tyson or his advisors are asking for too much - not content with the lions share in the first fight I suspect they are asking for at least fifty fifty on a rematch. Finally usyks team have balked and walked. (Just my guess at what’s going on behind the scenes based upon the bits I’ve read)
Sounds like they are just point blank refusing the rematch clause.

According to Usyk's manager, the 30% acceptance was based on his confidence of winning and getting a bigger share in the rematch. No rematch, no 30%.
 
Unwise rematch clauses scuppered the Fury / AJ fight that many understandably wanted to see, when Fury had to fight Wilder for the 3rd time, which was not a fight anyone apart from Wilder actually wanted.

We want to see this fight happen. That does not mean that we necessarily want to see a rematch.

I hate all the bullucks around boxing at times.
 
Unwise rematch clauses scuppered the Fury / AJ fight that many understandably wanted to see, when Fury had to fight Wilder for the 3rd time, which was not a fight anyone apart from Wilder actually wanted.

We want to see this fight happen. That does not mean that we necessarily want to see a rematch.

I hate all the bullucks around boxing at times.
I dont mind a rematch clause in a fight of this magnitude to be honest.

The Fury / Wilder fight is one example of why Usyk will want a rematch clause. Without the rematch clause, Wilder may have walked away after the first fight and would never have lost the belt to Fury. Wilder could have gotten away with that criminal draw result.

We may never had the second and ultimately third fight. It did end up a long drawn out affair as in the end it ended up 3 fights due to the draw but draws are pretty rare.

Apart from that, like I said above, the 70/30 split was based on the fact he backed himself to get a rematch on favourable terms. No rematch, then split 50/50. Fury was always going to find a way to make sure this fight didn't happen.
 
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I'm actually in Krakow for the weekend of the 29th. Would have been a great place to watch the fight as would Dusseldorf.

It would be a great place to watch but we are at football at lunchtime so would be a LONG day!!! Might die of alcohol poisoning!!

Sounds like it's only 99% dead, I'm still hoping :ROFLMAO:
 
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Frank Warren is doing the rounds attempting to spin the situation on its head. He's saying the fight can still be done, etc when he knows for a fact that Fury doesn't want it.

Here's an interview with Fury's trainer earlier today. At 5m10s he says that he knows nothing about training Fury for the Usyk fight. He's in the UK for Lawrence Okolie 😆

 
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Frank Warren is doing the rounds attempting to spin the situation on its head. He's saying the fight can still be done, etc when he knows for a fact that Fury doesn't want it.

Here's an interview with Fury's trainer earlier today. At 5m10s he says that he knows nothing about training Fury for the Usyk fight. He's in the UK for Lawrence Okolie 😆

Warren knows fine well this fight isn't happening and I would suspect he's known for a long time. Doing his best to try and make it look like Fury has made an effort and spin some of the blame onto Usyk to save face for Tyson.

He can see what this whole debacle is doing to Fury's reputation and therefore future value.
 
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I thought a lot of this back and forth was part of the posturing and build up to get the fight but as time goes on it looks less likely to happen.

I don't really know what the problem is behind the scenes, I know a lot of people are emotionally invested in this and are (rightly) furious with Fury but I just don't get the argument that fighters at this level are scared or ducking each other. There's usually more to it than that.

I said weeks ago on here that Fury isn't the cause of boxing being in the state it is but he is part of a long line of fighters that haven't been able to make the big fights happen and its the fans that lose out.

This generation should have had:
Fury v Joshua,
Joshua v Wilder,
Fury v Usyk,
Usyk v Wilder

And none of them have happened yet. We've had Fury v Wilder and Joshua v Usyk but its nowhere near enough.

The fighters and promoters should hang their heads in shame if we don't get all those fights above and when the biggest fights don't happen the sport suffers. In what other sport do you get the best not competing against the best, its embarrassing.
 
I thought a lot of this back and forth was part of the posturing and build up to get the fight but as time goes on it looks less likely to happen.

I don't really know what the problem is behind the scenes, I know a lot of people are emotionally invested in this and are (rightly) furious with Fury but I just don't get the argument that fighters at this level are scared or ducking each other. There's usually more to it than that.

I said weeks ago on here that Fury isn't the cause of boxing being in the state it is but he is part of a long line of fighters that haven't been able to make the big fights happen and its the fans that lose out.

This generation should have had:
Fury v Joshua,
Joshua v Wilder,
Fury v Usyk,
Usyk v Wilder

And none of them have happened yet. We've had Fury v Wilder and Joshua v Usyk but its nowhere near enough.

The fighters and promoters should hang their heads in shame if we don't get all those fights above and when the biggest fights don't happen the sport suffers. In what other sport do you get the best not competing against the best, its embarrassing.
If you listen to Usyk's promoter in the below video on skysports he actually says Warren has tried hard to make it work. He's put all the blame on Fury. Promoters have a lot to answer for at times, but in this case it seems like all the fingers are pointing at Fury.

Out of all the fights you've mentioned the only one that's ever really had a realistic chance is
Fury v Usyk and Fury has spoilt it. Theres a lot of things that need to align for these big fights to happen and they have for this fight.

AJ v Fury was never realistic before Christmas really. It was the wrong time for AJ but Fury never gave it a chance anyway with his deadlines.

Theres no need for Usyk to fight Wilder unless Wilder gets his hands on the WBC belt again. His sole goal is undisputed. So he'll now be fighting off mandatories until someone more willing than Fury gets the WBC belt.

By the time Joshua had unified the other 3 belts, Wilder was tied up in the Fury trilogy. Once Fury took the belt off Wilder, there was no need for Joshua to fight Wilder.

 
If you listen to Usyk's promoter in the below video on skysports he actually says Warren has tried hard to make it work. He's put all the blame on Fury. Promoters have a lot to answer for at times, but in this case it seems like all the fingers are pointing at Fury.

Out of all the fights you've mentioned the only one that's ever really had a realistic chance is
Fury v Usyk and Fury has spoilt it. Theres a lot of things that need to align for these big fights to happen and they have for this fight.

AJ v Fury was never realistic before Christmas really. It was the wrong time for AJ but Fury never gave it a chance anyway with his deadlines.

Theres no need for Usyk to fight Wilder unless Wilder gets his hands on the WBC belt again. His sole goal is undisputed. So he'll now be fighting off mandatories until someone more willing than Fury gets the WBC belt.

By the time Joshua had unified the other 3 belts, Wilder was tied up in the Fury trilogy. Once Fury took the belt off Wilder, there was no need for Joshua to fight Wilder.


Wilder v Joshua could have happened before Fury's comeback but the fighters and promoters never made it happen which looks bad on both parties.
Wilder v Usyk and Fury v Joshua have never been a realistic options but I never said all those fights should have happened BUT they should happen before all those fighters retire.

I've just listened to talksport from this morning with Alex Krassyuk and Frank Warren and I still don't think the fight is 100% dead, it sounds like the fight is/was very close and the only sticking point is the percentage split for the rematch. Sounds like there are lots of egos involved and obviously the bigger ego's are on the Fury/Warren side but there have been demands on both sides.

I think listening to the promoters on both sides of the fighters its pretty clear why the fight hasn't been made, its not ducking/avoiding/being scared or frightened its pretty straightforward....
Fury and Warren think they are the clear A side in this fight which is where some of the demands like 70/30 come from. They think that Fury is generating the bulk of the money and without Fury then Usyk will only earn a fraction against someone else. Usyk has bent over and compromised to the majority of the demands but he also has a bit of ego/pride himself and there's only so far he'll compromise.

I'm not a huge Fury fan, as a person I much prefer Usyk but I understand how these type of negotiations work and I've tried to add a bit of balance to this thread when its been very one sided. To be honest this is why I am falling out of love with boxing because every boxing thread online descends into a marathon debate about the politics of promoters/ purse splits and all the business side rather than the actual sport itself.
 
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Wilder v Joshua could have happened before Fury's comeback but the fighters and promoters never made it happen which looks bad on both parties.
Wilder v Usyk and Fury v Joshua have never been a realistic options but I never said all those fights should have happened BUT they should happen before all those fighters retire.

I listened to talksport this morning with Alex Krassyuk and Frank Warren and I still don't think the fight is 100% dead, it sounds like the fight is/was very close and the only sticking point is the percentage split for the rematch. Sounds like there are lots of egos involved and obviously the bigger ego's are on the Fury/Warren side but there have been demands on both sides.

I think listening to the promoters on both sides of the fighters its pretty clear why the fight hasn't been made, its not ducking/avoiding/being scared or frightened its pretty straightforward....
Fury and Warren think they are the clear A side in this fight which is where some of the demands like 70/30 come from. They think that Fury is generating the bulk of the money and without Fury then Usyk will only earn a fraction against someone else. Usyk has bent over and compromised to the majority of the demands but he also has a bit of ego/pride himself and there's only so far he'll compromise.

I'm not a huge Fury fan, as a person I much prefer Usyk but I understand how these type of negotiations work and I've tried to add a bit of balance to this thread when its been very one sided. To be honest this is why I am falling out of love with boxing because every boxing thread online descends into a marathon debate about the politics of promoters/ purse splits and all the business side rather than the actual sport itself.

I was hopeful but unfortunately not. It’s dead.

 
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