tripleheader
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Sorry Newy, I couldn't imagine ever replacing having lunch followed by cake in some stately piles cafe for a re-purposed coal bunker in South Bank.
Dorman Long Tower - Listed Building Status
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tripleheader
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Or maybe, just maybe they decided it would of prevented the building of a new factory employing local people and be a costly burden of the local rate payers for maintaining the structure of a really f'ing ugly building..
HiredGun123
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Tourists come from all over to visit Stone Henge, it’s a big tourist attraction.
Are you really comparing it to an abandoned industrial eyesore next to South Bank? The place had been abandoned for about 40 odd years. Nobody gave it a second thought until recently.
It’s not comparable
newyddion
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The point is the money will go elsewhere in the country instead of us having a grade 2 listed monument. Having something is better than not having something.. I’ve tried explained it every other way.
newyddion
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It wouldn’t have prevented the building of a new factory and the maintenance costs were vastly over exaggerated.
Has anyone here had dealings with Network Rail? I have and they are incredibly intransigent in the way they work. It would normally take months to secure approval for work that could affect their infrastructure. I find it extraordinary that it was demolished just hours after Listed Building Status was rescinded and Planning Permission secured. There really needs to be a review of the timeline here, and if due process was followed. This can obviously never bring the tower back, but at least it will show who know what, and how this came about. Maybe the Evening Gazette could actually try investigating for a change.
LaPennaBianca
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You find it pointless and silly because you're unwilling to accept that working class heritage and social history has the same importance as other national stories.
LaPennaBianca
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I didn't mean to insult you. The point I was trying to make, inelegantly as it turned out, was that I also have family background in the industry and I see the value in keeping it up.
It may have been a coke silo, but as newy says it has international architectural importance.
Pulling stuff down because a Tory mayor wants to line his own pockets and burnish his reputation isn't the way to approach our past.
The irony here is that Dorries et al would have been up in arms about the Colston statue in Bristol.
SmallTown
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Thats not the point. I think we've said that its a split on whether the tower should have been knocked down. The issue is how quickly the culture war secretary acted, and how its because the mayor stands to profit. That's the issue
Archiestephens_elbow
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The nazis would be proud of how the tories use social media 4 propaganda purposes
Norman_Conquest
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I have and I know exactly what you mean regarding closing lines, etc. Permits had already been signed off for the closure of the line on the evening of the 18th of September. I would bet my bottom dollar that these permits will have still been in place and this will be part of the evidence that Houchen went to Dorries with - 'We need to act fast or it will be another 6 months delay.'
I have always thought the mayor was doing a good job until recently. My son was telling me a few horror stories of him and his bullying tactics but I had never seen evidence of it, until now.
Regarding the DLT - I was all for getting rid of it and clearing our skyline of these monstrosities, I have regularly sat at the top of Eston Hills and wondered what the view would have been like before all the industry. I think the people who have worked in the steel industry have a hatred for the place that is hard to describe and will/are glad to see the back of these places. I only have to drive down the gare and I can taste and smell the sulphur from the blast. I fell into this category until recently and was swayed by the arguments put up by local people and members of this board. We cannot preserve everything, but we do need links to our past and I now feel that the DLT was one that was worth keeping. Pressure should be put on Dorries to explain her decision to remove it listing and the part Houchen played in it.
Anton_Berg
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Blaming the Mayor (without proof) is convenient, but it is the negativity and 'I can't imagine...' (see above) that is on show here that has decided the outcome. The same people would happily have seen the Town Hall demolished when gothic was out of fashion.
Norman_Conquest
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What proof do you want, he's been quoted as saying he asked for its listing to be overturned.
Archiestephens_elbow
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They will be after the transporter next
You watch.
You watch.
BoroMart
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I wouldn't be happy at randomly and rapidly reneging on ANY listed status, it makes the whole idea of listed buildings pointless. It puts every single listed building at risk
Southbank is great, each to their own
Ex pfc wintergreen
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Fatuous comparison, an ancient monument. Vs a coal bunker.
Ex pfc wintergreen
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And if it’s not fit for purpose and would cost millions upon millions to maintain it can go.
TeaCider
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It wasn't random though, it was given emergency listed status on the 13th of September, 6 days before its scheduled demolition on the 19th of September, the man in charge of the body planning the demolition protested immediately, providing evidence for why it shouldn't have it, and it was rescinded on the 17th of September.
There was already an established mechanism for applying for listed status to be removed, and it was followed.
I can understand why people are unhappy that it was rescinded, but I'm not really understanding the conspiratorial nature of some of the comments.
Plans were already well under way for it to be demolished, and they stuck to that schedule when the status was removed.
LaPennaBianca
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The renovation of Elizabeth Tower, housing Big Ben has cost almost £80m. That's a lot of money for something that's not fit for purpose. Why should we pay all that money to tell Londoners, who all have phones and watches, the time?
BoroMart
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like I said removing listed status has to be far far more onerous than gaining it, otherwise the status is pointless. Took months or years of work to gain that status They got rid of the status via one phone call. Minutes. No listed building is now safe.