I appreciate that mate and you're right. I do keep saying that I'll stay away from these threads. But Laughing is bang out of order threatening to kill his rabbit if I don't vote Labour. He should be ashamed of himself.
IF you voted Conservative last time
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BigJohnsPens
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Starmer has really good values, leadership and is professional unlike the current incumbent
What are those values then mate? Because apart from purging the left I don't have a clue what he stands for.
BoroFur
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Yes I agree but I'm specifically referring to the events of the last week or so.
What I fail understand is why we haven’t heard a peep from you on the subject or from @magic or @BlindBoyGrunt or @bumface.
I mean, what's the matter with you all?
It strikes me that you are worried that any criticism you make of Johnson and the Tories will somehow be perceived as support for the Labour Party or god forbid Keir Starmer.
Jonny Ingbar
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As much as I could never bring myself to vote Conservative, I can't help feeling that posts like the OP don't help the current situation at all.
Everyone should have the right to vote without fear of being ridiculed or blamed for the failings of the party they voted for.
I just think this type of divisive mindset is part of the problem, when really any dialogue and opinion should be more constructive and positive. In the end, division just plays into the hands of people like BJ, because it's what their whole strategy is based upon and its counter-democratic.
This isn't meant to be a criticism of the OP, so please don't take it that way, but surely we can be more constructive about stuff that in reality affects us all, without resorting to trying to shame people who were just doing what they thought was right?
Everyone should have the right to vote without fear of being ridiculed or blamed for the failings of the party they voted for.
I just think this type of divisive mindset is part of the problem, when really any dialogue and opinion should be more constructive and positive. In the end, division just plays into the hands of people like BJ, because it's what their whole strategy is based upon and its counter-democratic.
This isn't meant to be a criticism of the OP, so please don't take it that way, but surely we can be more constructive about stuff that in reality affects us all, without resorting to trying to shame people who were just doing what they thought was right?
That thread was already really long mate and I couldn't be @rsed to read it all. Simple as that really. I think the majority of us are agreed that Johnson and The Tories are a pack of *****. It goes without saying. You and I just disagree on Starmer. We've been over this before and you know that I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with it.
He's quite keen on apartheid and ethnic cleansing
gregorgregorovich
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Unfortunately to some people it is. I have lively discussions with a few of my mates about that view. I think I'm wearing them down though, hopefully.
BlindBoyGrunt
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I criticise Johnson and his crew every time I breathe out.
The frightening thing is, as bad as Johnson is proving himself to be, and it does seem to get worse every week, labour aren’t even in a position to mount any kind of challenge.
Labour really are a shower of wet lettuces at this current time and starmer would be a weak leader
Labour really are a shower of wet lettuces at this current time and starmer would be a weak leader
Warwickboro
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I voted Lib Democrats, I hate Boris, I hate the tories, and I think Labour are a disaster waitingbto happen too
SmallTown
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This was my thought as well. It absolutely baffles me when people say they are labour supporters yet say they’ll do something to benefit the Tories. It’s that odd thing about politics in this country. The right really really don’t care if they get on with each other or agree. They’ll still back themselves. The left will splinter and if labour aren’t “their” particular brand of left, they’d rather benefit the Tories then support labour
Warwickboro
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Incumbent is a horrible vile creature, starmer is ok but his shadow cabinet is a disaster zone, I think Lib Dems will have a brilliant time at the next election
Think you're giving Starmer too much credit there. He's just nothing. A beige charisma void who needs focus groups to tell him what he ought to pretend to believe in from one week to the next. Amazed that so many people on here can't see that.
wilkos_perm
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For the left it's an issue with labour supporters, left wing newspapers, even left wing comedians. All very critical of the Labour party and Starmer. Sometimes justifiably, other times not so much. But as you say Tory voters, right wing media etc will all back whoever is in charge. The approach of the left to question the party and leaders is of course the right one at times but it puts them at a massive disadvantage
So which are these left wing newspapers? Because it isn't The Guardian. They hated Corbyn and they love Starmer because he's a Tory. The Mirror is a comic so that only really leaves you with a couple of columnists in The Independent and then The Morning Star and I'm one of only a handful of people who bother to read that. The right have everything else including the BBC.
wilkos_perm
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The guardian are not universally warm towards Starmer and neither are the independent, certainly not for the last 12cnonths. Contrast to the Tory love-in in the Mail, Express, Sun etc
Point that I was trying to make was that The Guardian ran more negative hit pieces on Corbyn then The Mail did. The Guardian will back Starmer because he isn't left wing. It's not a left wing paper at all.
wilkos_perm
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It is clearly left wing, just not as left wing as you are, or Corbyn.