Boro v Derby: some bizarre ideas from the Derby fans forum.....

I do not want to see Derby or any other club go out of business. It's actually not their fans fault.
There are some emotional and extreme comments being mooted there, but it's a fans forum. There is some rubbish spouted here too sometimes.
I hope they survive. TheIr club is rightly being punished and I don't remember much support for our team being destroyed in 97 after the 3 point deduction relegated us and broke the team up just at the point the Premiership money really ramped up. We have never recovered.
Not yet, anyway. 😉
 
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The locals here hate it when I point out that they would love a chairman like Gibbo.

Compare both clubs since 1986, regardless of owner, just over that time frame.

Domestic cup finals
Domestic cup wins
European campaigns
European finals
Top name signings
Acadamy products
League placings,

They don't fare very well.

Mel Morris, shortly before putting the club into admin was praising there acadamy and said it was rated 9th best in the country. I couldnt find this rating, asked on here, on their board, searched the Web but no joy. Then recently acadamy rankings cake out And they were ranked 20th.......us........10th. Another Mel lie they all believed with out proof.
 
I've felt sorry for them and actually tried to be rational when I 'chat' to them on twitter.

It doesn't overly sit right that we are hammering away at them. Yet when I read some of the comments about not just Gibson but us Boro fans I'm slowly losing sympathy.

I'm yet to comment 'I hope you go bust' but it's coming if they continue with the dross they keep writing. To be fair it appears to be the same 5-6 people who are on day release 😂
 
Call me kinky if you like but if someone was going to pay me £90,000 to shout abuse at me for an hour and a half I would let them do it all day every day.

That thread makes them look desperate. How on Earth they think some of that is scary. It’s simple - the intent is there so we should limit their attendance to 1000 and Cleveland Police will have to be out in force. If they don’t have tickets they are put in the van as they clearly turned up to cause disruption. Any disruption of the game should result in a fine (which the administrators will love).

I used to have sympathy for them but the vitriol on that forum makes you lose it pretty quickly. That said I am sure we would feel like this if we were in their position, and when I say that I mean if we were deluded.
 
Its only a minority though, must of their supporters are fine, dont blame them all for the actions of the idots that all clubs have
 
It doesn't overly sit right that we are hammering away at them. Yet when I read some of the comments about not just Gibson but us Boro fans I'm slowly losing sympathy.
Same which is why I am starting to be amused that they've only legitimately finished above us twice in 23 years and that isn't going to change any time soon, and, they haven't been to a cup final in 75 years. Being a Derby fan would be about as miserable an existence as it could get if it wasn't for 3 years of Cloughy and most people that saw that are now too old to remember it
 
We should have a minutes applause for Gibson, like we did when we played Brighton that time. Some Derby fans might not realise it's for Gibson and join in, then we all start singing "There's only one Stevie Gibson" and the penny drops.
 
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We should just sing this little ditty back to them:


Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman


OR
Where's your sugar daddy gone
Where's Mel Morris gone
He's stabbed you in the back
Where's Mel Morris gone
He hasn't paid his tax
Where's Mel Morris gone
And now you're going down
And now you're going down
 
Im certain a few tweaks here and there....

Chris Rea "Its All Gone"

Chris Rea Lyrics



"It's All Gone"


A careless heart ain't no good to no-one
I was going back my friends to see
Of what became of my childhood daydreams
Of all the things that used to be
To my surprise I stood alone
I walked a river of a waking dream
My father say 'Know what you're thinking'
I guess this old town seen better days

It's all gone
Ain't nothing for you here now
Sail on

You talk of change, something better
Cutting down that big old tree
There's flesh and blood in there somewhere
But no matter what you just don't seem to see
I walk your chambers, your empty halls
I see you talking behind the doors
My father say 'Know what you're thinking'
I guess this old town seen better days

It's all gone
Ain't nothing for you here now
Sail on

I'm sailing on, I'm running faster
Than I ever run before
My father say 'Know what you're thinking'
I guess this old town seen better days
Sail on


 
I think it would be in the interests of the administrator's and any prospective buyers to work closely with Sir Steve of Gibson. Afterall, who else in the country has his experience of righting a sinking ship in the face of obscurity and the hurdles imposed by the F.A. back in 86?

I'd have no qwalms about Gibbo and his accountants sorting it for Derby.

It would be a hard pill to swallow for some of their most vitriolic fans, but they would soon have their minds changed when they realise themselves that he is indeed, a man of honour and integrity.

 
From the Derby forum :

"
23 hours ago, Alty_Ram said:
Sweet Jesus, I've just read the Boro forum... apparently according to some posters Derby are not on their knees and just need to sell their ground, training facility or some players. We don't own the ground you numpties ! That's the point ! Selling players for the sort of derisory numbers offered so far won't cover the cost of Greggs bakes for lunch !
I had a look earlier and they’re like the Bristol lot- obsessed with Derby... and think Gibson is the messiah. Crazy really but deluded football fans in a nutshell

"


:)
 
From the Derby forum :

"

I had a look earlier and they’re like the Bristol lot- obsessed with Derby... and think Gibson is the messiah. Crazy really but deluded football fans in a nutshell

"


:)
The messiah FFS. It's called having a stable local owner who doesn't cook the books. They seem to forget them calling Doctor Eggman the Puppet-master.
 
The Torygraph (pay wall) reckon we could be deducted points:

ByTom Morgan,

SPORTS NEWS CORRESPONDENT
12 January 2022 • 7:00am

Bristol City manager Nigel Pearson

Bristol City have long been perceived as one of the most financially stable regimes below the Premier League CREDIT: PA

Bristol City have expressed fears of being forced into a points deduction as the transfer market collapse has made it impossible to offset financial fair play losses.

Middlesbrough and Stoke are also expected to face severe scrutiny as the Football League enters the next 12 months of its three year "Profit and Sustainability" cycle.

Under the ownership of billionaire Stephen Lansdown, the West Country club has long been perceived as one of the most financially stable regimes below the Premier League.

However, Richard Gould, the club's chief executive, described to Telegraph Sport how the Covid-inflicted collapse in transfer values in the second tier has cost the club £30 million alone.

The executive has now taken the unprecedented step of warning they could be left with no choice but to take a points deduction next season unless the league fast-tracks reform.

EFL executives are exploring allowances for Covid-losses, but City are among a host of clubs concerned that the increased wiggle room will only cover matchday losses. For most clubs at City's level, a matchday-only saving might allow only around £5m on top of the current £39m upper-loss threshold for losses.

City and a host of rivals in the league now appear increasingly likely to back a salary-cap system broadly along the lines that were introduced in League One and League Two.

"We've got this big bow wave about to hit us next year on Profit and Sustainability," said Gould. "We can see it coming and it's only been brought about because the transfer market has crashed. Otherwise the business plan, which albeit required quite a lot of investment from the owner, was relatively sound. But now this big bow wave is coming, we know that we're probably going to breach it next year unless we sell a lot of our best players. And we don't want to sell a lot of our best players."

Bristol City are in ongoing talks with the EFL about their plight, and Gould accepts that the club could end up in a position next season where "maybe we'll just take the points".

Long-term reforms to the current system appear inevitable. The league and its Championship members are considering following the path taken by Uefa in exploring new rules to focus on the high levels of spending on wages and transfers rather than profit lines.

However, those reforms could come too late for City and rivals as unprecedented numbers of clubs prepare for the prospect of falling foul of the rules over the next year. In November, Reading were deducted six points, with a further six-point deduction suspended until the end of the 2022-23 season, over a loss of £57.8m.

There is no risk of City going into administration like Derby, who were deducted 21 points in total this season. However, calculations first uncovered by Liverpool University football finance expert Kieran Maguire revealed the eye-watering costs for a club which has never benefited from Premier League parachute payments.

City have lost £412,000 a week, every week, for the last 10 years from day-to-day trading, Maguire found. Overall, in the latest annual finances, City's revenue was down 39 per cent to £16.7m but wages had increased six per cent to £35.3m. Day-to-day losses increased by a quarter to £44m, with owner investment up to £214m.

Assessing the dire situation facing clubs, Gould warned that owners would get very frustrated if they managed to weather this storm and then suddenly find themselves foul of rules "that weren't designed for Covid issues".
 
From the Derby forum :

"

I had a look earlier and they’re like the Bristol lot- obsessed with Derby... and think Gibson is the messiah. Crazy really but deluded football fans in a nutshell

"


:)
Obsessed with derby 😂😂😂

They're barely noticable in the football world. They're just another team in the same division as us other than that they mean very little to me.

This thread is in reaction to a conversation they're having about us 🙈
 
I think its a big mistake to assume all Derby fans are like the keyboard warriers on their forums. I'd like to bet the majority are more like the letter writer and I feel sorry for them.
 
The Torygraph (pay wall) reckon we could be deducted points:

ByTom Morgan,

SPORTS NEWS CORRESPONDENT
12 January 2022 • 7:00am

Bristol City manager Nigel Pearson

Bristol City have long been perceived as one of the most financially stable regimes below the Premier League CREDIT: PA

Bristol City have expressed fears of being forced into a points deduction as the transfer market collapse has made it impossible to offset financial fair play losses.

Middlesbrough and Stoke are also expected to face severe scrutiny as the Football League enters the next 12 months of its three year "Profit and Sustainability" cycle.

Under the ownership of billionaire Stephen Lansdown, the West Country club has long been perceived as one of the most financially stable regimes below the Premier League.

However, Richard Gould, the club's chief executive, described to Telegraph Sport how the Covid-inflicted collapse in transfer values in the second tier has cost the club £30 million alone.

The executive has now taken the unprecedented step of warning they could be left with no choice but to take a points deduction next season unless the league fast-tracks reform.

EFL executives are exploring allowances for Covid-losses, but City are among a host of clubs concerned that the increased wiggle room will only cover matchday losses. For most clubs at City's level, a matchday-only saving might allow only around £5m on top of the current £39m upper-loss threshold for losses.

City and a host of rivals in the league now appear increasingly likely to back a salary-cap system broadly along the lines that were introduced in League One and League Two.

"We've got this big bow wave about to hit us next year on Profit and Sustainability," said Gould. "We can see it coming and it's only been brought about because the transfer market has crashed. Otherwise the business plan, which albeit required quite a lot of investment from the owner, was relatively sound. But now this big bow wave is coming, we know that we're probably going to breach it next year unless we sell a lot of our best players. And we don't want to sell a lot of our best players."

Bristol City are in ongoing talks with the EFL about their plight, and Gould accepts that the club could end up in a position next season where "maybe we'll just take the points".

Long-term reforms to the current system appear inevitable. The league and its Championship members are considering following the path taken by Uefa in exploring new rules to focus on the high levels of spending on wages and transfers rather than profit lines.

However, those reforms could come too late for City and rivals as unprecedented numbers of clubs prepare for the prospect of falling foul of the rules over the next year. In November, Reading were deducted six points, with a further six-point deduction suspended until the end of the 2022-23 season, over a loss of £57.8m.

There is no risk of City going into administration like Derby, who were deducted 21 points in total this season. However, calculations first uncovered by Liverpool University football finance expert Kieran Maguire revealed the eye-watering costs for a club which has never benefited from Premier League parachute payments.

City have lost £412,000 a week, every week, for the last 10 years from day-to-day trading, Maguire found. Overall, in the latest annual finances, City's revenue was down 39 per cent to £16.7m but wages had increased six per cent to £35.3m. Day-to-day losses increased by a quarter to £44m, with owner investment up to £214m.

Assessing the dire situation facing clubs, Gould warned that owners would get very frustrated if they managed to weather this storm and then suddenly find themselves foul of rules "that weren't designed for Covid issues".
Presumably not if we get promoted?
 
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