£27,000 a year?

Do nurses know what the wage is going to be prior to making the decision to be a nurse?
They know what it's going to be this year but they don't know what it will be in 10 years. You'd think it would keep up with inflation but if it doesn't (like it hasn't over the last 10+ years) then they would have every right to be angry.
 
They know what it's going to be this year but they don't know what it will be in 10 years. You'd think it would keep up with inflation but if it doesn't (like it hasn't over the last 10+ years) then they would have every right to be angry.
Surely that’s the same for every job.
looking back 10 years, I thought my wage would have increased more than it has.
 
This is what a fully qualified nurse with a degree gets paid when they start the profession in England.

No wonder they have just voted to strike. For comparison, the annualized salary for someone on minimum wage is £22,600.
It's not enough for what they do.

How half of them don't have PTSD I do not know.
 
The last time I was in hospital, a HCA put a pot on my ankle as they had done training for it, I think the cleaner had the training too but it was near the end of their shift 😜
At the same visit I was speaking to a nurse that absolutely loved their job and said they had earned over 42k last year.
it was a bit sad to hear that he sent most of his wages home to his family in the Philippines and he was sharing a terraced house in Boro with 3 other people.
 
Surely that’s the same for every job.
looking back 10 years, I thought my wage would have increased more than it has.
Yes and no. I don't know what you do but if you are private sector then your salary should increase as your company grows. If not, you have the option of moving to another company. Nurses don't have that option. Other places they could be a nurse are other hospitals on the same contract or private/agency (which they have done hence the high vacancy rate which just costs the NHS more).

Nurse's salary is a political choice. Why should someone get paid less this year for doing the same job they were doing last year? That is what happens when your salary doesn't match inflation. It's an important job that needs doing. It should be properly funded, staffed adequately and there should be more training posts.
 
Give the nurse it but not the over bloated mangers and admin it. I would privatise every part of the NHS that dose not work hands on with patients
 
Give the nurse it but not the over bloated mangers and admin it. I would privatise every part of the NHS that dose not work hands on with patients

Yes, admin costs in the NHS are obscene in comparison to other countries, especially those with fully privatised systems.

(table 2nd page)

Table on following page comparing overall health cost spend.

..... overly bloated ..

..... oops, admin only comparison, same pattern ..


...... behind my pay wall (I think) ....

In 2019, the United States had the highest health administrative costs per capita compared to other wealthy countries. At that time, per capita health administrative costs in the U.S. amounted to 880 U.S. dollars, nearly three times higher than in Switzerland, the country with the second highest per capita health administrative costs. In comparison, Canada's health administrative costs came to just 162 U.S. dollars per capita. This statistic illustrates the per capita expenditure on governance and health system and financing administration in select high-income countries in 2019.

The UK number is less than US$100 per capita.
 
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Insurance is administratively expensive.

And insurance excludes.

I often look at threads about pet insurance and feel for those making the same decisions about health coverage in other countries.
 
:poop:🤡

Have people seriously not cottoned on that privatising public services makes them cost more, not less?
Only if allowed too the wastage in the NHS is obscene.I speak on this with first hand knowledge as my wife worked in the NHS for 18years and left due to stress. If any NHS workers on here disagree their is way too many mangers without any hands on experience of working with patients. I have a nice that works in the NHS on a band 7 and she has never spoke to a patient never mind helped one.
 
Only if allowed too the wastage in the NHS is obscene.I speak on this with first hand knowledge as my wife worked in the NHS for 18years and left due to stress. If any NHS workers on here disagree their is way too many mangers without any hands on experience of working with patients. I have a nice that works in the NHS on a band 7 and she has never spoke to a patient never mind helped one.
I have a friend who is band 8b and works in IT. Just because you aren't touching patients doesn't mean you shouldn't work for the NHS or your role isn't important; if they privatised IT they'd need to pay for the staff and the profit margins of the firms, which would be a race to the bottom for contracts and therefore quality - we've been through this already with the likes of servo, capita etc - you're not getting better quality people in and will have higher staff turnover
 
Only if allowed too the wastage in the NHS is obscene.I speak on this with first hand knowledge as my wife worked in the NHS for 18years and left due to stress. If any NHS workers on here disagree their is way too many mangers without any hands on experience of working with patients. I have a nice that works in the NHS on a band 7 and she has never spoke to a patient never mind helped one.
I agree that we are probably overspending on the management side, and no doubt it could be made more efficient. But the idea that every person in the NHS needs to have direct contact with patients and experience of caring for them, is ridiculous. There will be people working at engineering firms that couldn't tell you a spanner from a hammer, but they are crucial to the operation of the business.

Sometimes promoting from within (e.g. the best nurses get promoted to managerial positions) isn't the way to go, because you end up losing a great nurse and gaining an average manager - they are different skillsets (sometimes they do overlap, for sure).

It is a massive over simplification but I think we need to go back to basics - identify what we need to make a hospital run well in terms of staff and equipment, and then fund it appropriately. People should be desperate to become nurses and doctors, whereas at the moment they are shying away from it. It always seems that a lot of the "bloat" at the NHS are there to paper over the cracks, they've obviously been hired for a reason but whether or not that was the best solution to the problem is very much up for grabs.
 
Do nurses know what the wage is going to be prior to making the decision to be a nurse?

Not really

8% cut in real terms under the Torys. Why would anyone have expected that?

This government has failed to keep nurses remunerated to the level they have been led to expect.
 
I have a friend who is band 8b and works in IT. Just because you aren't touching patients doesn't mean you shouldn't work for the NHS or your role isn't important; if they privatised IT they'd need to pay for the staff and the profit margins of the firms, which would be a race to the bottom for contracts and therefore quality - we've been through this already with the likes of servo, capita etc - you're not getting better quality people in and will have higher staff turnover
exactly this
 
I agree that we are probably overspending on the management side, and no doubt it could be made more efficient. But the idea that every person in the NHS needs to have direct contact with patients and experience of caring for them, is ridiculous.
...... don't be too hard on the NHS. The international comparison is that it isn't overspending on admin and management.

Completely agree with your second point. Of course organisations/companies have and need people who are not in direct contact with end users/customers.

I spent a third of my career in the NHS, two-thirds in a large business in the private sector. Admin/mgt costs in that business were probably a little higher than the NHS comparison - although more easily allocated and identified.
 
100% something that needs addressing. No one who works for the NHS should be paying to park at their place of work
Why? It is a resource that costs money to provide. If users don't pay for it, that cost will have to come out of another budget.

For some reason there isn't the same handwringing over the NHS workers that have to get the bus or tube to work.
 
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