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Energy crisis: MPs call for 'war effort' on insulation​

Published 5th Jan 2023

Cavity wall insulation being installed

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The UK has some of the least energy efficient homes in Europe.
 
They are just middlemen that aren't needed. They are just adding costs to a system that aren't needed. The system is there to protect the energy generators from losing money by dealing with customers. The whole setup is to protect them. They get massive subsidies to generate energy and then we let them charge the highest price to sell it to us instead of the cheapest. It's a massive con.
I agree completely.
 
Gaining a lot of traction this idea.

Some households will get their energy at a lower tariff with the costs being paid for either through general taxation or through even higher tariffs for those that don't qualify for the social tariff.

I support the idea of people in need getting energy more cheaply, but worry about how it's funded.

If general taxation then it's something I feel could work.

If it's higher tariffs for everyone else, this will just further fuel division and resentment.

What do you think?
I would only be for this if they also incentivised using less energy at peak times, so it makes handling the grid load much simpler. Cheaper energy which people make no adjustments to get, doesn't seem right, as in there has to be better ways of achieving the same result (those worse off doing better).

The daily energy rate needs to be variable, or let people choose to go on a daily variable rate, which changes by the hour and season. They would simply avoid the massive peaks which cause the grid issues. The problem with energy is the volume we consume, and the massive peaks and troughs in demand, even throughout the day. It's all extremely inefficient, which drives up cost to run, and cost in bills for every end user.

Also, jack up the rate as consumption goes up. First 10kW might be 25p, but the next 10kW is 30p etc, maybe with an allowance for EV drivers. If you want to heat a 6-bed house, and your stables, for two people, fine, but you pay a higher rate than the old bloke trying to keep his old inefficient 2 bed house warm.

I think just giving the worst off better benefits, at the expense of the best off, but energy at the same prices as anyone would incentive less use.
 
"jack up the rate as consumption goes up. First 10kW might be 25p, but the next 10kW is 30p etc, "

This is available with smart meters. its called a block tariff,
 
So those out of work (for whatever reason) but for example because they can't be arsed to get a job will pay less for gas and electric than me and my wife who both work?

(Disclaimer, before anyone jumps in with this that and the other we all know there are people out there like that who've never had a job and have no intention of getting one)
You really need to educate yourself.
 
They are just middlemen that aren't needed. They are just adding costs to a system that aren't needed. The system is there to protect the energy generators from losing money by dealing with customers. The whole setup is to protect them. They get massive subsidies to generate energy and then we let them charge the highest price to sell it to us instead of the cheapest. It's a massive con.
Wild, you want customers to deal directly with generators?
 
See, knew one of those comments was incoming. You are blind if you don't believe there are people out there comfortably living within their means off of state benefits.
You're focused on something that matters so very little. Aside from the fact that the percentage of people doing what you say will be tiny, it's really not what's important here anyway and to focus on that is a proper Daily Mail type tactic.
 
You really need to educate yourself.
In what way?
Are you saying there aren't a small minority of feckless work shy people out there living off of benefits who aren't elderly/disabled/medically unable to?
 
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This is just adding needless complexity, just increase benefits, go mad on insulation and a war effort on adding new domestic supply. That is the problem.
 
This is just adding needless complexity, just increase benefits, go mad on insulation and a war effort on adding new domestic supply. That is the problem.
Coincidentally the missus has just messaged me saying we've had a letter off of hambleton council offering us potentially free insulation of walls and cavity's and the loft because we get UC.
 
You support the idea but only if you don't have to pay more you mean 👍
Where does he say that you absolute whopper. He's asking for people's thoughts and says that he thinks general taxation could be something that might work.
 
If someone can't genuinely afford to cook for their families and heat their homes .I would have no issue in some way profits from the energy companies or taxes going toward helping them.Or a mix of both.
 
My disabled, now pensioner mother has just been told that she no longer qualifies for the stay warm scheme because her council bungalow is "too small" to require it under new rules.

Utterly disgusting as she still has to keep the heating on due to her needs and is paying a fortune, while at the same time having multiple benefits reduced due to reaching pension age.

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Will I qualify for the scheme?​

In order to qualify for the discount, all of the following must have applied to you on 21 August 2022:

You can check if you are eligible for a discount by using the eligibility checker on the GOV.UK website"
 
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