Blackpool Illuminations - Racism claim

Did they deny that their ancestors did such things. Would they prefer that their race be airbrushed from sight, like white USA tried to do.
Take the display down next year and put up some Morris Dancers and Maypole.
No doubt there will be complaints about that too.
🌎 gone mad.
 
If somebody is offeded by something the it becomes offensive to them.
That said it's a question of degree. Should it be taken down because two people are offended by it?
Balance that against the Charlei Hebdo incident.
All a question of degree.
 
I do wonder what the news is in this story except for its inflammatory nature.

People are concerned lights reflect badly on heritage
People query origin of lights
Council provides reassurance.
People move on there way happy.

I once asked the council to look into more favourable swimming times for children at a pool. They did. BBC didn't contact me once for comment.
 
I’m pretty sure we can all find things, people or places that may offend us in some way or other — just depends how willing you are to make a meal out of it. Americans are always quick to denigrate things that they don’t like — especially those things not in their own backyard but allow everything and anything that seems weird and possibly violent to us.
 
Things like this remind of when I was a kid and we had the folklore festival in Billingham. Can't imagine that would be allowed either now, assuming the context of the original story is accurate.
 
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borgelite said:
The Media just love to Stoke up trouble, they cause so many unnecessary problems. One incident now and it causes worldwide issues.
I've stopped watching the news.
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If you don't watch it you get no sense of the way propaganda is moving, which this is an example of.

Has the 'complaint' been given in detail, perhaps it was simply questioning the context, who knows?

From what I've seen over the years anything challenging the status quo and the way history has been written is given the 'woke' treatment and this is then reflected in debate such as this.
 
I suspect most people who have commented on this thread know very little about the native American history/culture, I certainly don't although I have watched some very interesting interesting and informative programmes which challenged my previously held understanding.

Most people will have received their understanding from the modern 'American' version and the government propaganda that has been pumped out and through Hollywood and cowboy films etc.

The reality that native American's tell is a completely different one but their voice is often quashed or silenced just like many are doing on this thread. I believe for most of those people it is not done out of malice but through ignorance due to how are thinking has been programmed.

Native Americans were slaughtered on their own land which was then stolen off them, now think about that and then think about cowboy
films and who were the bad guys and how they were depicted, I know for me when I was growing up, how that helped me form my opinion of who the heroes and who enemy was.

Now getting back to the article it doesn't provide any real context about the complaint and it doesn't seem like it was the complainants who went to the BBC so we don't know very much. However some people here seem to be upset about someone complaining and have being automatically dismissive or feeling it's about a woke or cancel culture at play yet are happy to hold up their right to complain about someone else complaining!

I always feel it is good to listen and explore and really try and understand a different perspective, I don't always do it and I don't always do it successfully, but if I struggle with itt and then overcome my automatic defensiveness which is uncomfortable but I manage to do occasions then I come to a much richer and appreciative understanding of others.

If anyone is genuinely interested in challenging yourself and would care to take an hour of your time, there are plenty of programmes/books that I think most people would find interesting and thought provoking that present at totally different perspective of native American history and culture, if you do find the time and have the inclination to be curious it would be really interesting if you came back to this thread and offered some further comment and again in the way you seem fit.

Let's keep talking, challenging each other respectively, caring for each other and learning as we often do on here and if we to want to make a change for the better, I believe we need to start with ourselves as difficult as that is.
 
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Corco65 said:
I suspect most people who have commented on this thread know very little about the native American history/culture, I certainly don't although I have watched some very interesting interesting and informative programmes which challenged my previously held understanding.

Most people will have received their understanding from the modern 'American' version and the government propaganda that has been pumped out and through Hollywood and cowboy films etc.

The reality that native American's tell is a completely done different one but their voice is often quashed or silenced just like many are doing on this thread. I believe for most of those people it is not done out of malice but through ignorance due to how are thinking has been programmed.

Native Americans were slaughtered on their own land which was then stolen off them, now think about that and then think about cowboy
films and who were the bad guys and how they were depicted, I know for me when I was growing up how that helped me form my opinion of who the heroes and enemy was.

Now getting back to the article it doesn't provide any real context about the complaint and it doesn't seem like it was the complainants who went to the BBC so we don't know very much. However some people here seem to be upset about someone complaining and have being automatically dismissive or feeling it's about a woke or cancel culture at play yet are happy to hold up their right to complain about someone else complaining!

I always feel it is good to listen and explore and really try and understand a different perspective, I don't always do it and I don't always do it successfully, but if I struggle with itt and then overcome my automatic defensiveness which is uncomfortable but I manage to do occasions then I come to a much richer and appreciative understanding of others.

If anyone is genuinely interested in challenging yourself and would care to take an hour of your time, there are plenty of programmes/books that I think most people would find interesting and thought provoking that present at totally different perspective of native American history and culture, if you do find the time and have the inclination to be curious it would be really interesting if you came back to this thread and offered some further comment and again in the way you seem fit.

Let's keep talking, challenging eachother respectively, caring for eachother and learning as we often do on here and if we to want to make a change for the better I believe we need to start with ourselves as difficult as that is.
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I was struggling to find the right words to say exactly this.

On a slightly broader take, I honestly see many of these responses as indicative of a wider English problem. There is a mean-spiritedness abroad towards anything or anyone outside our very narrow norms. We are not always right!
 
HarryVegas said:
I was struggling to find the right words to say exactly this.

On a slightly broader take, I honestly see many of these responses as indicative of a wider English problem. There is a mean-spiritedness abroad towards anything or anyone outside our very narrow norms. We are not always right!
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I would agree HV but also believe it is a much broader white western problem.
 
Corco65 said:
I would agree HV but also believe it is a much broader white western problem.
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Possibly. I've spent the last month in the Highlands though, and generally spend a lot of time up there, and that begrudging, mean, badly-done-to attitude doesn't prevail there. Granted, in the cities there is sometimes an anti-English thing, but people seem much less threatened by 'otherness' than here.
 
A few years ago it was quite common at music festivals such as Glastonbury for punters to don Native American headdress. Following representations from Native Americans seeing this the practise has largely disappeared as people became aware that it was viewed as culturally inappropriate. I suppose no one would consider "blacking up" to be acceptable nowadays and yet I accept that in many cases in the past it was more intended as homage than insult. I guess this is somewhat similar if to lesser degree?

It sounds like a happy conclusion was reached without the papers needing to get involved and stoke up the "anti woke" brigade. I like to think that if someone tells me that something I'm doing is upsetting to them or denigrating their culture I was just stop, apologise and learn. My younger self in the 70s would probably be slower to learn. Different times, but we must change as the world around us changes lest we become that parody of the angry white middle aged man, crimson of face ranting at "PC taking over the world" or "Wokism" or whatever the papers are telling him (and sadly it is usually a bloke) what to be angry about next.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Blackpool has been displaying a scene of Native Americans dancing in headdresses towards a Totem pole and has recently recieved complaints from two Native Americans that it is racist.

I dare say they will have been times when either my comments or actions have been racist, but it is something I have always tried to avoid, and I haven't intentionally wanted to upset anyone. Am I missing something here though?

www.bbc.co.uk

Blackpool Illuminations face Native American racism claims

Two Native Americans complained to Blackpool Council about the tableau.
www.bbc.co.uk
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This is the problem we have in gammon tory brexit Engerland. These non stories that involve 2 people, and not 2 million people feed into the bigotry and stupidity of said, tory brexit gammon narcissistic clowns. Easy peasy to ignore a non story pushed by billionaire media owners. Pretty poignant for me this morning after reading Murdochs admission that he has access to 10 Downing street. Gammon still don't realise that when "The Sun Says" its the view of one sickly Australian narcissistic clown that somehow translates into the reality of everyone in Engerland. Imagine if humans thought from the heart rather than their bigoted egos?
 
Corco65 said:
I suspect most people who have commented on this thread know very little about the native American history/culture, I certainly don't although I have watched some very interesting interesting and informative programmes which challenged my previously held understanding.

Most people will have received their understanding from the modern 'American' version and the government propaganda that has been pumped out and through Hollywood and cowboy films etc.

The reality that native American's tell is a completely done different one but their voice is often quashed or silenced just like many are doing on this thread. I believe for most of those people it is not done out of malice but through ignorance due to how are thinking has been programmed.

Native Americans were slaughtered on their own land which was then stolen off them, now think about that and then think about cowboy
films and who were the bad guys and how they were depicted, I know for me when I was growing up how that helped me form my opinion of who the heroes and enemy was.

Now getting back to the article it doesn't provide any real context about the complaint and it doesn't seem like it was the complainants who went to the BBC so we don't know very much. However some people here seem to be upset about someone complaining and have being automatically dismissive or feeling it's about a woke or cancel culture at play yet are happy to hold up their right to complain about someone else complaining!

I always feel it is good to listen and explore and really try and understand a different perspective, I don't always do it and I don't always do it successfully, but if I struggle with itt and then overcome my automatic defensiveness which is uncomfortable but I manage to do occasions then I come to a much richer and appreciative understanding of others.

If anyone is genuinely interested in challenging yourself and would care to take an hour of your time, there are plenty of programmes/books that I think most people would find interesting and thought provoking that present at totally different perspective of native American history and culture, if you do find the time and have the inclination to be curious it would be really interesting if you came back to this thread and offered some further comment and again in the way you seem fit.

Let's keep talking, challenging eachother respectively, caring for eachother and learning as we often do on here and if we to want to make a change for the better I believe we need to start with ourselves as difficult as that is.
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what a good post
 
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