Awful ref

Referees should only be allowed to overrule linos on throw in decisions. In open play - then where does it end.? I cant even remember any game where this has happened in open play.
Perhaps he was worried about having to give a red card as I think the defender was the last man.
 
From where I was sat in the North-West corner, it looked as if Watmore was clipped. He was getting to the ball first, so I genuinely don't think he'd have gone down if there wasn't any contact. The linesman had the best view of anyone, so the ref should have trusted his judgement. Really poor officiating.

As for the McNair incident, was it actually an elbow to the face, or does Bennett push him in the face with his hand? Doesn't look like an elbow to me.
 
It's especially cruel that even after all that refereeing nonsense, the ball STILL only went in via a ridiculous deflection. Just sheer bad luck, and the kind of thing we seem unable to escape. I'm glum.
 
There are so many differing opinions on here about the McNair incident that it can't have been a clear cut decision for the ref. Certainly not the open and shut case some think.

Looking at those highlights Boro would have won comfortably if they could take their chances. It's been that way for seasons now. How did Crooks miss that header?

Instead of blaming the refs all the time for Boro not winning, why not blame Crooks for being a spud?

Refs make mistakes just like players and managers and everyone. It's just part of football. And VAR isn't the answer - there was an incident in the Burnley Palace game that wasn't correct and was not changed by VAR.
 
Watmore’s didn’t look a foul to me but I haven’t seen it back. Looked like he tried to go shoulder to shoulder but misjudged it and was off balance.

McNair was a foul but I didn’t see an elbow. Looked like a hand in the face. McNair went down too easily for me. More interested in getting a foul than dealing with the issue at hand.

Thst said, the ref was generally poor.

The corner flag incident was embarrassing. It was like everyone thought it was beneath them to sort it out. The refereeing team should have just gone over and tried to sort it out ffs. What a joke.
 
Instead of VAR, could it be invested in professional refs, or at least training them better?
Refs get into the league by being decent refs in the lower leagues don't they?

There's far less cheating going on the further down you go.

I'm not a fan of VAR, it spoils the game, I do think though that the game should be reviewed post match by a different ref and penalties dished out. Once the teams are correctly punished for cheating it will start to disappear from the game.

You'll then see the refs 'improve'.
 
Referees should only be allowed to overrule linos on throw in decisions. In open play - then where does it end.? I cant even remember any game where this has happened in open play.
Perhaps he was worried about having to give a red card as I think the defender was the last man.
You have got it the wrong way round. The assistant should never be able to overrule the referee, which they can’t. If the referee thinks he has seen it clearly and believes it isn’t a foul then it’s perfectly fine that play continues.
I am shocked he didn’t just go with the assistant but we need to just get on with it.
 
I wasn't bothered that he overruled the linesman on the Watmore incident, as I thought it was soft at the time (even though I was screaming bloody murder in the stands), but it's a blatant red card foul on McNair and he's got that one completely wrong.

To not even give it as foul is shocking.
 
Those saying the mcnair wrong was soft are watching the wrong sport, UFC may be more up your street. It was a foul and a red card.
 
You have got it the wrong way round. The assistant should never be able to overrule the referee, which they can’t. If the referee thinks he has seen it clearly and believes it isn’t a foul then it’s perfectly fine that play continues.
I am shocked he didn’t just go with the assistant but we need to just get on with it.
You really think the bloke 50 yards away saw it more clearly than the bloke 5 yards away ?
Of course a lino can't overrule a ref - doesnt even need to be said.

Fact is flag was waving and players had stopped. Ok play to the whistle - yeh yeh.
But a referee playing on against a waved flag is very very rare.
 
Watmore dived, it was never a foul, we laughed when the linesman flagged

I haven't seen that incident back.

My first impression was that Watmore initiated the contact. I don't know why else he'd cut across his man in that position.

Either way, the players should know to play to the whistle, not the flag.

I seem to recall that hurting us once before when Bolo ran half the length of the pitch to score against us for Chelsea.
 
The Watmore one is tricky. Looks a foul in real time but maybe minimal/no contact on replay? That said, running at pace it only needs to be minimal contact to throw you off balance.

Bennett should have walked clearly. If the ref doesn't see that (and it's pretty easy to spot given Bennett is in possession of the ball) he should never referee another game again.

Fully in favour of VAR in the champo. Just far too much at stake to not implement it in my opinion.

Clear pen on Sporar first half was missed as well.
 
We've had some bad refs. but this fella takes the biscuit, dreadful !
The fan's awesome reactions to him said it all.
 
I thought it was a foul, why dive in a position like that. Whatsmore (sorry) he doesnt have a history of it. He was flat out, got I. Front of the defender (who didn't protest much) and his leg was touched knocking him out of his stride. I thought it was a free kick and no more, but the elbow on Paddy, he looked at him and threw his arm.
They then set about kicking Watmore and Sporar out of the game with the refs help.
In the last 2 years I've never known a team have so many important decisions against them. The rescinded red cards highlight that.
 
It seems that someone on yesterday's phone-in claimed that this was the same ref from the Blackburn/Dael Fry incident (it wasn't, that was Dean Whitestone) and now I'm seeing that fake news all over Facebook and Twitter. Don't get why people blindly repeat something which is so easily searchable and verifiable as false. And much as some folks enjoy a conspiracy theory and would love to think there's one rogue ref out to get us - the real story seems to be that many of the refs are incompetent across the board.
 
I thought it was a foul, why dive in a position like that. Whatsmore (sorry) he doesnt have a history of it. He was flat out, got I. Front of the defender (who didn't protest much) and his leg was touched knocking him out of his stride. I thought it was a free kick and no more, but the elbow on Paddy, he looked at him and threw his arm.
They then set about kicking Watmore and Sporar out of the game with the refs help.
In the last 2 years I've never known a team have so many important decisions against them. The rescinded red cards highlight that.
That's why I think it was a foul. The player who committed it actually stopped as though he knew what he did. Its just a pity the rest of the Millwall team didn't.
 
I still can’t see the elbow on Paddy people keep mentioning. It looks like a hand off that caught him in the face.

It was a free kick and nothing more for me.

And I don’t think anyone is claiming Watmore dived. I think we was just off balance because he expected his shoulder challenge to be reciprocated. If that was given against us we would have gone mad.
 
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