Wycombe Chairman on BBC Radio Derby - Everyone needs to listen

Norman_Conquest said:
I would agree but that is fantasy football, you cannot say that for definite.
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Okay, Derby spent more than they were allowed to. They signed Waghorn in front of us by offering more fee and wages, he won them points. Derby have already admitted to and been punished for gaining an unfair advantage.

I don't think it is fantasy football to state if they had been forced to sell some of their better players they would of had the likelihood of finishing one point worse off over a season.

Equally I don't think it would be a fallacy to state if we had Bamford and Traore playing for us all season we could have got a couple of points more.

Going round in circles I fear, I'm done.
 
Caesium137 said:
Okay, Derby spent more than they were allowed to. They signed Waghorn in front of us by offering more fee and wages, he won them points. Derby have already admitted to and been punished for gaining an unfair advantage.

I don't think it is fantasy football to state if they had been forced to sell some of their better players they would of had the likelihood of finishing one point worse off over a season.

Equally I don't think it would be a fallacy to state if we had Bamford and Traore playing for us all season we could have got a couple of points more.

Going round in circles I fear, I'm done.
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I think you have been, I've told you already I agree with all that.
 
Derby could sell some players but maybe theyre dragging it out as they have half a chance of escaping drop with the current squad...weakening the squad now by selling their best players would mean less chance of escaping.
 
Cress said:
If the stadium goes back to the club does Morris get the money?
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The presenter last night stated that Morris still owns the ground and that he had put in over £300m of his own money and that he would expect something back.

This is the part for me that tells you it was obvious Morris knew what he was doing, was calculated in his dealings and deserves nothing in return.
 
Cress said:
and does he still own the training ground?
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They don't own the training ground as such. The land is leased. Moor Farm's buildings are owned by Mel with a charge from MSD. The land is leased from Loco Park Estate. I believe that the lease also has a charge on it..... Just to add to the mess of DCFC.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
The presenter last night stated that Morris still owns the ground and that he had put in over £300m of his own money and that he would expect something back.

This is the part for me that tells you it was obvious Morris knew what he was doing, was calculated in his dealings and deserves nothing in return.
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I could be totally wrong here (probably am), but where is this £300m figure coming from...

Looking at a few sources online (could be wrong) the players earn £11.5 million combined wage per year, if you include Rooney's wage and the staff/youth you could probably round up to £15 mill/year.
The average attendance for Pride Park is 26,000, average ticket price for adults/kids lets say they all pay £20 each to make it a round number... That's half a mill per game, £12 mill/year.
Didn't find much info on TV deals for championship clubs (didn't look very hard), but Hull made £4.5 mill/year, assume Derby are approx. the same... That's outgoings of 15 incomings of 16.5...

There's also shirt sales, sponsorships, etc... I don't understand how the club is losing so much money every month.
 
Mel Morris never put £300m of his own money in - how long was he owner for? - edit - just checked it was 6 years.

How much loss can a club make in a year? (outside Covid) - £30m?

The BBC presenter is making pure guesses.

Ash88 - DCFC wage bill was higher than £11.5m in recent years - wasn't Waghorn on £60k/week (£3m a year) even now they have players on £3.85m a year.
 
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Redwurzel said:
Ash88 - DCFC wage bill was higher than £11.5m in recent years - wasn't Waghorn on £60k/week (£3m a year) even now they have players on £3.85m a year.
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Probably, but how much higher... Even if we double it, they'll only be losing £10 mill/year, without taking into account any sponsorship money.
 
Cress said:
If the stadium goes back to the club does Morris get the money?
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I think this a bigger stumbling block than anyone is admitting. If Morris owns the stadium he will want the money from future owners buying back the stadium to come to him. I also don't see why they should not be forced to sell their players. Tough, as mentioned previously we had to do this when relegated.
 
Ash88 said:
I could be totally wrong here (probably am), but where is this £300m figure coming from...

Looking at a few sources online (could be wrong) the players earn £11.5 million combined wage per year, if you include Rooney's wage and the staff/youth you could probably round up to £15 mill/year.
The average attendance for Pride Park is 26,000, average ticket price for adults/kids lets say they all pay £20 each to make it a round number... That's half a mill per game, £12 mill/year.
Didn't find much info on TV deals for championship clubs (didn't look very hard), but Hull made £4.5 mill/year, assume Derby are approx. the same... That's outgoings of 15 incomings of 16.5...

There's also shirt sales, sponsorships, etc... I don't understand how the club is losing so much money every month.
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Weren't 32Red paying some of Rooney's wages? At least whilst he was a player. He even wore the number 32.
 
Yes 32 Red were - but his wages could have been £7.5m a year thats a hell of a lot of sponsorship money for a Championship club - £1m possibly.

The Red32 paying Rooney's wages was another Mel Morris statement.
 
uncle_rico said:
Weren't 32Red paying some of Rooney's wages? At least whilst he was a player. He even wore the number 32.
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I believe his coaches wages were outside of FFP for some reason, so he was signed as a player coach and the majority of his salary paid for his non-playing role.

(from memory)
 
Redwurzel said:
Yes 32 Red were - but his wages could have been £7.5m a year thats a hell of a lot of sponsorship money for a Championship club - £1m possibly.

The Red32 paying Rooney's wages was another Mel Morris statement.
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Rooney's Derby wage revealed as players see pay delayed

Derby County news - Wayne Rooney is said to be getting a bumper wage to represent the Rams as both a player and a coach.
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There has been plenty of excitement around Rooney's arrival, but fans have been wondering just how much it's setting the Rams back.

Rooney arrived from MLS outfit DC United, but is he on a bumper wage at Pride Park?

According to The Sun, Rooney was being paid $3.5m (£2.6m) by DC United and Derby have agreed to match that figure.
 
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Wayne Rooney's 32Red-funded Derby County move shows gambling is 'normalised' in football

Manchester United legend Wayne Rooney's surprise return to English football has been criticised for being bankrolled by bookmaker 32Red, via a new sponsorship deal and marketing execution.
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The buzzworthy signing of the striker has been subsidised by 32Red via a record-breaking sponsorship deal. Rooney will be paid five times the average wage in England's second tier, at £90,000 a week. The player/coach is expected to bring a new level of attention to the sponsor. Immediately the hashtag #WR32 trended, fuelled by the surprising nature of Rooney's US exodus.

— Mike Palmer (@_MikePalmer) August 6, 2019
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But the cash injection raises questions of whether the club can meet the EFL's financial fair play rules. BBC Sport reporter Andrew Aloia wrote that the Ex-England captain's deal raises questions about "football's links to gambling."

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