Electric and Gas Cost

coluka said:
It is pointless looking to fix right now for the vast majority of people. Goodness knows what a war in the Ukraine and a Putin puppet government will do to the gas price, it won’t bring it down thats for sure.
We desperately need to move asap to alternate fuel supply. I know people rail against nuclear energy, but it has to be a big part of the equation to ensure affordability.
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I'd sooner see green energy expanded, with more and more wind farms around our coastline, solar panels filling fields not suitable for farming.

Public transport back in public hands and subsidised to reduce prices and cut national fuel demand.

Nuclear leaves too much waste for the next generations.
 
Facefuzz said:
Rang up to sort mine the other day as I dropped onto variable after octopus went bust.
Daily rate almost the same
Unit price double for electric and triple for gas. I don’t even think the variable will get that high. I’m going to ride it for abit
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Octopus havn't gone bust
 
Fracking is a huge risk. We’d be screwed if the waterways were to be contaminated.

It’s surprising with all of our rivers and waterfalls, that we don’t seem to take much advantage of hydro electricity generation as much as we should. Even small scale generators are basically free energy once they’re installed.
 
SilentProf said:
Fracking is a huge risk. We’d be screwed if the waterways were to be contaminated.

It’s surprising with all of our rivers and waterfalls, that we don’t seem to take much advantage of hydro electricity generation as much as we should. Even small scale generators are basically free energy once they’re installed.
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I don’t think we have enough big rivers to make hydro work alone. But it should be part of the solution. Along with as much solar as we can squeeze out of this far northern latitude. Wind power will be our big renewable
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'd sooner see green energy expanded, with more and more wind farms around our coastline, solar panels filling fields not suitable for farming.

Public transport back in public hands and subsidised to reduce prices and cut national fuel demand.

Nuclear leaves too much waste for the next generations.
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We all want green energy expanded. Nuclear energy is both sustainable and renewable but yes it still produces co2, more so in the construction phase too. It still has to be part of the equation though. No country should rely on just one or two sources. Solar, Wind and Hydro are the obvious ones to push at present.

However, Nuclear has its place too, now and for the short term future as countries need more and more power as time goes on and can we guarantee the sun will always shine, the wind will always blow sufficiently now and in the future. A good well organised country needs a mix to ensure the lights stay on 365 days a year. I am sure future generations will develop new sources so that one day nuclear too can be a thing of the past, but we are not there yet, we need to plan not just for the long term, but the next 50 yrs and yes i appreciate a nuclear plant takes about 15 years to get up and running.
 
boroboy6872 said:
Absolutely staggering the cost now and I do worry for those who can`t afford it.......I`m awfully sure my neighbour is one of those.

I`d ask her if she is ok, but I don`t want to embarrass her, and also i`m not 100% certain on the above.
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You are a good person boroboy6872 (y)
 
We are going to have pump more gas from the North sea and start fracking. Whilst start building a new nuclear fleet.

If we want intermittent renewables then we will need plentiful supply of gas to make up the shortfall when it is not windy.
 
Those that can least afford it as usual will be the hardest hit.
The old and the vulnerable who, in a civillsed society, should be protected, will be turning their heating off to try and afford to live.
3rd world Britain.
 
We won't start fracking, it's to damaging both to the environment and the water table. In addition we don't have anywhere far enough away from built up areas to make it viable without a huge backlash. I don't even know if we have enoigh recoverable gas underneath the UK to make this viable, even of the general public wasn't dead against it. Overall it is a bad idea, it's not our planet to ruin.
 
thewanderer said:
We are going to have pump more gas from the North sea and start fracking. Whilst start building a new nuclear fleet.

If we want intermittent renewables then we will need plentiful supply of gas to make up the shortfall when it is not windy.
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Not at all. That’s entirely wrong. It’s so short sighted and wrong to think we should increase our reliance on dirty energy. We should be doing exactly the opposite
 
thewanderer said:
We are going to have pump more gas from the North sea and start fracking. Whilst start building a new nuclear fleet.

If we want intermittent renewables then we will need plentiful supply of gas to make up the shortfall when it is not windy.
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Not necessarily. You just need a way to store the excess energy from those intermittent sources. It’s a great way to recycle old batteries. There will be plenty of them about with the increasing sales of electric cars.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
We don't need fracking or nuclear to become more self sufficient. That's short termist nonsense.
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One thing we should be pushing is solar panels on new build homes, they are already bringing a rule in for electric vehicle charging points to be fitted, how we will meet the demand for this is another thing once we are driven into EV's.
 
thewanderer said:
We are going to have pump more gas from the North sea and start fracking. Whilst start building a new nuclear fleet.

If we want intermittent renewables then we will need plentiful supply of gas to make up the shortfall when it is not windy.
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Our own gas is running out and we are not self sufficient. As it runs out further we'll become even more vulnerable to supplies from overseas in terms of both suply and price.

New UK offshore developments are being refused so there'll be no beefing up to enhance domestic supply.
H2 schemes and new Nuclear are around 5 years away from having an impact and renewables can't keep pace with our shortfall in supply.

It's not just heating and cooking, a large proportion of our electricity is generated via gas powered power stations.

Not only will price hikes continue but I predict power cuts.

What can you do? You can't avoid the price hikes.
I've had a log burner installed and I'm looking at solar. Not to pump back into the Grid but to feed house batteries. At least hopefully with enough umphh a lot of the domestic appliances will still work and it'll run the electric side of the gas boiler for a time.
 
SilentProf said:
Not necessarily. You just need a way to store the excess energy from those intermittent sources. It’s a great way to recycle old batteries. There will be plenty of them about with the increasing sales of electric cars.
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Have you seen the cost of storing electricity in batteries? Close to £300 per MWh and that's before youve produced the electricity to go in them! Plus the amount stored is measured in hours not days.
 
Laughing said:
We won't start fracking, it's to damaging both to the environment and the water table. In addition we don't have anywhere far enough away from built up areas to make it viable without a huge backlash. I don't even know if we have enoigh recoverable gas underneath the UK to make this viable, even of the general public wasn't dead against it. Overall it is a bad idea, it's not our planet to ruin.
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Well we will just let the US and Qatar do it for us then.
 
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