True evil is amongst us

JonnyHistory said:
So slavery instead.

How about demonstrate we are better as a society than slavery or murder. They forfeit their right to be in society and rightfully are locked away for these crimes but essentially creating prison concentration camps full of slave labour is not the answer. Coming down to their level is never the answer.
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I call it punishment for two evil ********.
 
JonnyHistory said:
I am not saying this absolves her but as the press have reported the mother is mentally under developed, she is guilty but I understand the sentencing from the judge with this mitigation in mind. That being said this whole scenario is just stomach churning, let down by SS and her Mother and died an agonising death, how can that not pull on everyone's heartstrings.
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The whole thing is absolutely heart breaking including the other lad who was murdered. A trip back to the dark ages would be a great thing IMO and I'd happily have the role of hangman/executioner.
 
Tom_Boro said:
We need to be a lot tougher than we are, they should be suffering everyday for a long long time
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So what would you propose?
They are locked away in a cell with minimal contact with anyone from outside, no liberty or freedom. I agree sentencing should be trougher on a number of crimes murder and rape being the main two, but 'suffering' are you implying physical torture? Mental torture? How can the state then enforce itself as the moral arbiter of crime when it is committing atrocities itself? It needs to lead, set the standard, show society is better than that; not use someone else's crime as an excuse to inflict torture on another human being. It would make us just as bad as those we punish in my opinion.
 
JonnyHistory said:
I am not saying this absolves her but as the press have reported the mother is mentally under developed, she is guilty but I understand the sentencing from the judge with this mitigation in mind. That being said this whole scenario is just stomach churning, let down by SS and her Mother and died an agonising death, how can that not pull on everyone's heartstrings.
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I guess any metal state or development needs taking into account.

Also agree that the fact social services failed (an incredible 5 complaints made by friends and family). I understand they must see 100s of case a year and have difficult decisions to make.

Yet after the 5th 'complaint' you'd think the penny would drop. Absolutely failed on all fronts😕
 
JonnyHistory said:
So what would you propose?
They are locked away in a cell with minimal contact with anyone from outside, no liberty or freedom. I agree sentencing should be trougher on a number of crimes murder and rape being the main two, but 'suffering' are you implying physical torture? Mental torture? How can the state then enforce itself as the moral arbiter of crime when it is committing atrocities itself? It needs to lead, set the standard, show society is better than that; not use someone else's crime as an excuse to inflict torture on another human being. It would make us just as bad as those we punish in my opinion.
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If you are capable of doing what they did to that beautiful child then they deserve mental, physical and unthinkable torture yes.
 
zzzzz said:
FIVE referals including their babysitter.
www.bbc.co.uk

Star Hobson babysitter criticises social services response

Hollie Jones criticises Bradford City Council's response to her referral about the murdered toddler.
www.bbc.co.uk

I hope the social workers who missed this can sleep at night, and that's not a criticism.
It's a thankless soul destroying job only a few can do and as someone said on the thread taken down, there is always a balance to be struck between putting a child into care and leaving them with their families.

I hope those two utterly vile creatures get exactly what they deserve inside.
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I've disagreed with a lot of your posts recently mate but you're absolutely spot on here. Tragic tragic case
 
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S7DiscoDown said:
The actual mother gets 8 years😒

What mother watches her partner abuse and eventually kill her own child? Now f*cked up do you have to be.

I imagine she will be out in 4-6 and carrying on with her life. Hopefully an appeal will send her down for longer.

I would say she is every bit as guilty as the partner who killed her child whilst she watched and made jokes.
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Agree 100%, evil the pair of em, neither should be let free again
 
Tom_Boro said:
If you are capable of doing what they did to that beautiful child then they deserve mental, physical and unthinkable torture yes.
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What you are talking about is revenge not justice. You can't give life back by taking another, you can't expect another human being to inflict torture on another without causing the appointed torturer to be damaged. We are all appalled by what happened to that little girl but torturing or killing her killers will not bring her back nor will it dissuade any person minded to commit this crime from doing so, you seek to make yourself feel better because you feel powerless and angry. That is not a bad thing but we shouldn't make the world any more evil than it already is.
 
Muttley said:
What you are talking about is revenge not justice. You can't give life back by taking another, you can't expect another human being to inflict torture on another without causing the appointed torturer to be damaged. We are all appalled by what happened to that little girl but torturing or killing her killers will not bring her back nor will it dissuade any person minded to commit this crime from doing so, you seek to make yourself feel better because you feel powerless and angry. That is not a bad thing but we shouldn't make the world any more evil than it already is.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I dont always agree with you Muttley & as much as I was agreeing with Tom_Boro, you're spot on here
 
It brought a tear to my eye reading about the suffering this poor little lass went through, it’s beyond my comprehension how anyone could commit such evil.
As much as it’s natural to desire revenge against the perpetrators as has been previously stated the simple fact is the death penalty doesn’t work. The death penalty states in America tend to have the highest murder rates. It also gives these rats the easy way out, hopefully they’ll suffer mental torture for the rest of their worthless existence just like they put that beautiful little girl through
 
JonnyHistory said:
I am not saying this absolves her but as the press have reported the mother is mentally under developed, she is guilty but I understand the sentencing from the judge with this mitigation in mind. That being said this whole scenario is just stomach churning, let down by SS and her Mother and died an agonising death, how can that not pull on everyone's heartstrings.
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Even more of a reason that social services should have intervened quicker.
 
Alzi said:
It’s a very complex situation. There are many local authorities performing well and keeping countless children safe (you don’t hear about this stories).

There are however struggling authorities who can’t recruit and retain decent staff. Preventative services have been stripped right down which is also having a huge impact .

Unis are seeing a downturn in numbers on their social work courses meaning there’s less people coming into the profession and with the current climate of demonising social workers I can’t see that changing anytime soon.
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Alzi quite correctly summarises the wider children’s social care situation better than I can. It remains that when this serious case review is finally published it will find missed opportunities by agencies. I said this before in the Arthur thread that family members do not report concerns easily and there needs to be greater weight given to consideration of any reports made by family members.
 
Habibi said:
Alzi quite correctly summarises the wider children’s social care situation better than I can. It remains that when this serious case review is finally published it will find missed opportunities by agencies. I said this before in the Arthur thread that family members do not report concerns easily and there needs to be greater weight given to consideration of any reports made by family members.
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One problem is local authorities receive a lot of mallicious referrals, often from estranged parents / bitter ex partners, people the family have fallen out with etc. It uses up a lot of resources and has resulted in children being removed from their families unnecessarily.

That said…. Any unexplained bruising in a young child has a clear process, police should be notified and that child assessed (fully) by a Consultant Paediatrician. Decisions around the child’s safety should then be made jointly by social care, police and health.
 
Kosovo said:
news.sky.com

Amina-Faye Johnson death: Parents jailed after baby died with more than 60 broken bones in 'despicable' abuse case

Benjamin O'Shea and Naomi Johnson claimed paramedics caused the fractures suffered by their eight-week-old daughter - but they were found guilty of causing or allowing her to suffer physical harm.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Another two wonderful human beings been sent for rehabilitate.
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Only 8 years and 7 years for torturing a baby.
The judge should be in there with them.
 
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