Gazette saying Carrick still in the frame

Gazette still Gibbo’s official mouthpiece?
To be fair when I read the article this morning saying Carrick was still in the frame my first thought was that Craig Johns, or someone at the Gazette, must have been briefed directly by the club. For them to go public first thing on a morning the club must have been pretty desperate to get the news out there.
 
I thought he would be but sitting in the outside we never know what’s going on exactly. We’re a great club fir anyone that knows how to manage and anyone coming in with no experience deserve to have they ability tested by getting getting everything their want .
 
Fair play to Carrick.
Obviously not willing to be the next fall guy.
He wants his own teams and players he wants to bring in, hence long negotiations.
Definitely agree with this. If he really wants to have a career as a manager/ coach you want your first job to highlight your potential. You dont get a lot of chances, as Woodgate is finding out, so you want to be able to control as much as you can.
 
Maybe the “negotiations” are not so much staffing/contractual but more Gibson, Scott, Bausor and Carrick going through the current situation and then seeing if they are all on the same page with regards to the opinion of the current squad and if they are of the same opinion in how to move it forward?
 
Maybe the “negotiations” are not so much staffing/contractual but more Gibson, Scott, Bausor and Carrick going through the current situation and then seeing if they are all on the same page with regards to the opinion of the current squad and if they are of the same opinion in how to move it forward?
That is so sensible it almost can’t be the case. But it would certainly help if the new coach or manager bought into the existing squad before he came rather than just moan about it like Wilder.

A positive attitude can go a long way.
 
This all reminds me of the worst holiday of my life. Watching my Pop pacing around the blue dolphin in Filey in 1986!!!
Butlins Filey was without doubt the worst family holiday ... tried to make it a happy time but failed miserably... it was near to closure when we went, chalets were terrible , think it was back end of summer ... 5 miserable days ...
 
Butlins Filey was without doubt the worst family holiday ... tried to make it a happy time but failed miserably... it was near to closure when we went, chalets were terrible , think it was back end of summer ... 5 miserable days ...
I have to confess, I once went to Butlins on the Isle of White, part of my volunteering for a weekend for the disabled and elderly [circa 1980s]. Ok the staff were tremendous but the camp had to be the worst thing I'd ever experienced, baring in mind I'd also visited San Quentin in the 90s and that place was a slight upgrade, because I'm told the toilets worked.
 
Butlins Filey was without doubt the worst family holiday ... tried to make it a happy time but failed miserably... it was near to closure when we went, chalets were terrible , think it was back end of summer ... 5 miserable days ...
Th holiday itself was quite exciting, going anywhere is an adventure when you’re 10.
It was my Pop, lovely fella but as far as I remember he spent all week listening to the radio to see whether the Boro were saved from liquidation. We were in a cinema in Filey when he found out all was good. I couldn’t understand what was going on but by jingo, he did seem a different bloke!
 
Was in Majorca, it was in the days of getting yesterday's paper in the shops. So I spent every night shoving pestas into a phone and getting the latest news from me Dad.
The pendulum swung from " They're bust" to "They've been saved" every other night. My misses said "What are you getting upset about? It's only football."
Still it all ended well and I was one of the 50,000 who was at Victoria Park a couple of weeks later to see the most important game in Boro's history
 
Fair play to Carrick.
Obviously not willing to be the next fall guy.
He wants his own teams and players he wants to bring in, hence long negotiations.
Definitely agree with this. If he really wants to have a career as a manager/ coach you want your first job to highlight your potential. You dont get a lot of chances, as Woodgate is finding out, so you want to be able to control as much as you can.
I think it's very likely it'll be something like this.

It's no secret that our recruitment team and at least the past 2 managers haven't seen eye to eye. I suspect the "issues" Wilder clearly had with the club are fairly well known within the game via agents etc.

Carrick sounds like he's an intelligent guy, he won't be oblivious to the fact that our recruitment side of things has been a problem for a while. He'll want to be satisfied that he's either happy to work within a structure that maybe Wilder or Warnock weren't, or that he'll have a bit more control/input than they did over how recruitment is done.

He's probably interviewing us as much as we've been interviewing him.
 
I think it's very likely it'll be something like this.

It's no secret that our recruitment team and at least the past 2 managers haven't seen eye to eye. I suspect the "issues" Wilder clearly had with the club are fairly well known within the game via agents etc.

Carrick sounds like he's an intelligent guy, he won't be oblivious to the fact that our recruitment side of things has been a problem for a while. He'll want to be satisfied that he's either happy to work within a structure that maybe Wilder or Warnock weren't, or that he'll have a bit more control/input than they did over how recruitment is done.

He's probably interviewing us as much as we've been interviewing him.
These things about people ‘not seeing eye to eye’ on recruitment, isn’t it the same at every club? Look at where clubs are signing players from these days; Zambia, Ecuador, Iran, Latvia, Honduras, Georgia, Morocco, as well as the more usual places like Scandinavia, France, Germany.

There’s absolutely no way a manager or Head Coach has the time or capability of sourcing and scouting on this sort of scale. There will almost certainly be a staff at each club whose job it is to source and scout players and potential signings according to the needs of the first team(and the youths these days) and general growth of the club. A manager will either give the nod to a deal or be fully aware of the situation before accepting the position(purely because this is so commonplace now, the role of a managerial has changed considerably from what it was even 10 years ago).

You very, very rarely hear a manager or Head Coach distance themselves from signings until a result or two goes against them, or they want more new players and don’t get them. They only complain when they feel pressure from outside, which will almost certainly be because results aren’t quite what was expected. Some managers even claim credit for signings only to try and distance themselves later on(Warnock and Akpom, for example).

Likewise, managers very rarely say thanks to a recruitment staff when a signing does well. Bola and Dijksteel are two fine examples. Roundly slaughtered for their first year, they’re now considered good and very useful players. Woodgate took lots of flak for those deals, as did Bausor(as if he scouted and signed them personally).

Then there is the way supporters react. A lot of posters on here like to criticise Gary Gill or Bausor or the chairman for signing players the manager doesn’t want or players that don’t deliver. There’s loads of examples, an interesting one is Guedioura. People slammed Boro for “giving Karanka Guedioura when he wanted Jese,” etc but then Karanka signed Guedioura for Forest. Gary Gill or Neil Bausor can’t have signed him for both clubs, can they.

It’s an easy way for some people to apportion blame to people they feel deserve it, or to suit their own agendas. The bottom line is recruitment at almost every club in the world, certainly of the size and scale of Boro and above, will operate a recruitment set-up that is collaborative in nature. Any manager who pretends they didn’t know this, or can’t work in it, or thinks it’s unusual, just isn’t being honest IMO.

We need to move past this idea that one man(ager) signs all the players. Wilder lost his best midfielder and didn’t get a replacement. I can understand his annoyance. But even with that, we should not have been in the bottom three under him. His and any other person in that role is to coach and prepare the team to get results. Any Boro manager who takes a team into that sort of league position is always in big trouble.

Some stuff went against Wilder, obviously, but he didn’t have it bad. How many clubs spent more than Boro in the summer? What was it, 12 new signings? Four last January, plus Neil Taylor. 17 players in less than a year. Not bad. Imagine if he’d have had to work under the same constraints as Lennie, for example, or Mowbray(especially during the first year or two of his reign). He’d have been fuming.
 
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