What is Johnson really after?
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NYboro
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Idiot - time for the ignore button.NY Boro are you going to rant for 24/27 months until the next election or actually use that time to engage and use your brain?
That’s a long time to be saying nothing
HarryVegas
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...as is the ability to form a coherent sentence.
Scrote
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What policies?Not one comment that attempts to look at policies, politics or his record as PM
And yes even Johnson has policies and therein lies the answer to the question.
Other than "Get Brexit Done" there's nothing.
As we saw through the pandemic, he is the ultimate populist and will do anything that gets people to like him.
He doesn't care about any ideology in particular and I doubt he'd be able to explain his actions vs his stated political beliefs - one of the reasons he refused the Andrew Neil interview in the run-up to 2019 GE.
HarryVegas
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Full stop.
Johnson will get his ton. The membership will select Johnson there will be some Tories give up the whip, perhaps even a couple crossing the floor By January the new tranche of energy prices kick in…by then the markets will have responded so interest rate will have risen.
At that time the Privileges committee will rinse him. He’s toast.
People will be in an even more precarious mess. The polls remain touching 40%.
Election February. Labour wins a super landslide. The Tories get destroyed to point were they don’t even try and elect a new leader, because they haven’t enough MP’s to form a quorum.
TheTories disappear never to be seen again.
We all live happily ever after. The End.
At that time the Privileges committee will rinse him. He’s toast.
People will be in an even more precarious mess. The polls remain touching 40%.
Election February. Labour wins a super landslide. The Tories get destroyed to point were they don’t even try and elect a new leader, because they haven’t enough MP’s to form a quorum.
TheTories disappear never to be seen again.
We all live happily ever after. The End.
sweet_left_foot
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The 3 of them do a deal, Sunak goes uncontested and gets in to stop the members getting a chance to show their innate racism. Johnson gets Chancellor, Mordaunt Foreign Sec, Spooky Pencil Home Sec.
Bankers tell chancellor what they want to happen, make a mint off it and leave it to Labour to pick up the pieces.
Bankers tell chancellor what they want to happen, make a mint off it and leave it to Labour to pick up the pieces.
Cardiffdaffs
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You come across as really pompous with posts like this.
festa5
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No chance Johnson accepts any job other than PM, and certainly not under Sunak. His ego won't allow it.
What he wants, in response to the OP, is to be PM. It's as simple as that. He doesn't care that it's a poisoned chalice. He also will, I'm sure, genuinely believe he's still popular with the majority of the public. His narcissism won't allow any other world view.
Like Trump he is a psychopath. You can't judge him by the standards of other people. I reckon once you grasp that and view him through that prism, he becomes easier to understand.
I reckon he'll have fancied his chances of convincing Sunak to drop out. To anyone else that would be ridiculous. But he genuinely believes in his own exeptionalism and his life experience tells him he usually gets what he wants.
Suppose we'll find out soon enough if he has the votes. Although if he doesn't I doubt that'll be officially confirmed, he'll just be dropping out "for the good of the country" in that scenario.
Ignore_Alien_Orders
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According to bbc news he had 102 nominations but has dropped out of the race.
Chris_Boro
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I also had a threesome with Scarlett Johansson and Charlize Theron.
norfolkngood
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According to bbc news he SAID he had 102 nominations.
I've corrected you and the lying fat chunt there.
Jedi boro
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Oooooh yes
Jedi boro
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Yes that’s the bat sht crazy line they use.
changingman
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His strategy seems to have backfired massively. His chief ****-lickers were stating that he had the nominees within minutes of the gun being fired. It looks like their strategy was to a) state he had the requisite support and then b) set about finding it. The desperation of doing deals with Sunak/Mordaunt was the final straw really. If he actually had 102 he'd be standing.
That said, I tend to agree with some posters above that, due to the fact that ONLY power appeals to him (rather than what you can do with it), he's perhaps not as dangerous as many claim. Indeed, his biggest threat (in my view) is the base that he emboldens, generally far-right, aggressive racists.
Sunak is somewhere in the middle for me. He's savvy enough to play the Comms game pretty well but that front hides some very dangerous policies, e.g. he is/was one of the prime driving forces behind freeports and de-regulated trade zones ("The Sovereign Individual").
As for Mordaunt, she plays her cards very close to her chest - does anyone have any idea of the direction of travel is she snuck in?
That said, I tend to agree with some posters above that, due to the fact that ONLY power appeals to him (rather than what you can do with it), he's perhaps not as dangerous as many claim. Indeed, his biggest threat (in my view) is the base that he emboldens, generally far-right, aggressive racists.
Sunak is somewhere in the middle for me. He's savvy enough to play the Comms game pretty well but that front hides some very dangerous policies, e.g. he is/was one of the prime driving forces behind freeports and de-regulated trade zones ("The Sovereign Individual").
As for Mordaunt, she plays her cards very close to her chest - does anyone have any idea of the direction of travel is she snuck in?
Jedi boro
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I think penny is the far more dangerous of the two. As she emboldens that Thatcherite spirit but unlike liz truss who was only ever a superficial parody of it, I think penny will be more ideologically in tune with Thatcherite beliefs.
But unlike hapless Liz she won’t be so easy to fold in the spotlight.
I think we saw last week at the dispatch box ( filling in for Liz) and at the kings affirmation that she had a very ambitious streak and I’d suspect would be quite ruthless in power.
Jedi boro
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Unlike liz she’s a slick operator as well.
Before running as an MP, she was an active Tory member. After graduating from the University of Reading with a Philosophy degree in 1995 she acted as the head of youth for the Conservative Party and went on to become the Tory head of broadcasting under William Hague.
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Ms Mordaunt then held various communications jobs, including as Head of Foreign Press for George W. Bush's presidential campaign
Before running as an MP, she was an active Tory member. After graduating from the University of Reading with a Philosophy degree in 1995 she acted as the head of youth for the Conservative Party and went on to become the Tory head of broadcasting under William Hague.
And
Ms Mordaunt then held various communications jobs, including as Head of Foreign Press for George W. Bush's presidential campaign
American_Mary
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If he had 102 nominations why was he trying to do deals with the other candidates, he's never shortened a holiday before even in times of crisis, he came back thinking he'd get the nominations needed and fulfil his Cincinnatus prophecy.
Mordaunt still hasn't got the 100 nominations needed to run so it could be Sunak has it at 2pm today, some of the anyone but Rishi MP's may get her over the line but I think there will be MP's who will come out for Sunak to avoid it going to the Members, that said both candidates are infinitely more capable than Truss.
As for a discussion on Johnson's policies, he promised a lot and delivered little, additional public service staff numbers have not been met, infrastructure projects delayed or disappeared, the oven ready Brexit deal proved to be still in the supermarket, failed in Afghanistan, initial Covid policies (Track and Trace, not locking down quickly or properly with regard to incoming flights, putting infected people back into nursing homes) were a disaster and cost lives, we have left the EU but Brexit is far from done, Sue Grey report, fall out with Cummings, etc etc, and on top of all that were all the lies, we weren't the first to support Ukraine, we didn't do as much as other countries to help, we didn't have the fastest growing economy in G7, the vaccine roll out was managed by the NHS and not by the Government, he did not get all the big calls right.
Mordaunt still hasn't got the 100 nominations needed to run so it could be Sunak has it at 2pm today, some of the anyone but Rishi MP's may get her over the line but I think there will be MP's who will come out for Sunak to avoid it going to the Members, that said both candidates are infinitely more capable than Truss.
As for a discussion on Johnson's policies, he promised a lot and delivered little, additional public service staff numbers have not been met, infrastructure projects delayed or disappeared, the oven ready Brexit deal proved to be still in the supermarket, failed in Afghanistan, initial Covid policies (Track and Trace, not locking down quickly or properly with regard to incoming flights, putting infected people back into nursing homes) were a disaster and cost lives, we have left the EU but Brexit is far from done, Sue Grey report, fall out with Cummings, etc etc, and on top of all that were all the lies, we weren't the first to support Ukraine, we didn't do as much as other countries to help, we didn't have the fastest growing economy in G7, the vaccine roll out was managed by the NHS and not by the Government, he did not get all the big calls right.