Caller from Boro on LBC claims asylum seekers get given free cars

BlindBoyGrunt said:
I think that's a massive generalisation. In the heydays of ICI, BSC and Seal Sands tens of thousands of people in this area made a very good living on above average wages and thousands have used their skills in the oil and gas industry further afield.

In today's world, Middlesbrough has taken more refugees per capita than anywhere else (the other standout place being Glasgow) and I believe we have made a pretty good fist of it considering we are now one of the most deprived areas in the UK. Of course you will find pockets of resentment but that is true of anywhere. There are some very well healed towns in the South East that won't welcome any refugees at all
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I didn’t discount those people. But people who are age 55+ are from a generation where growing up and ealry in their working lives they were in very deprived area. More deprived than we have today. I was trying to give understanding why people resent in this area

Don’t get me wrong they were still had the yarms and nunthorpes
 
It's sad because these people are rightfully angry/upset/frustrated but they don't know why or where to put their anger and frustration.

Often it's pointed at immigrants which is a natural reaction in some respects - when times are tough you close ranks - but their arguments quickly fall apart when you hear them like this and I think even they know this, but by the time that happens, it's too late.
 
Matt said:
It's sad because these people are rightfully angry/upset/frustrated but they don't know why or where to put their anger and frustration.

Often it's pointed at immigrants which is a natural reaction in some respects - when times are tough you close ranks - but their arguments quickly fall apart when you hear them like this and I think even they know this, but by the time that happens, it's too late.
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True and anger was shifted to her dad rather than saying it was her
 
GazC_MFC said:
People in this are- have traditionally worked hard (especially people 55+) for a not a very good living, and they don’t want to feel or see people not getting on with life without going through a similar turmoil as them
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Maybe those 55 year olds should go live in a syrian village with a syrian income and syrian oppression and then see if they feel like those Syrians have an easy ride in life.
 
If the locals resent syrian refugees being placed in the area, then maybe they should turn out at the next election to ensure the Tories that did this don't get back in power
 
relfyoftheboro said:
I started listening to her but I couldn't finish. I've heard it all before and it makes me sad.

Neither her, her Dad, any of her family or any of the refugees we welcome in this area should be struggling, in any way. We are an insanely rich country, but that wealth is distributed in such an obscene way that we end up with these sad scenarios where decent people are being made to consider each other as enemies. I always say, we have far in common with the poor sods who arrive in boats than literally any of the major decision makers of this country who call them invaders.

Our population has been manipulated to such an extent that we accept the scapegoat the rich man points us towards. It's no coincidence that we're going through yet another period of National wrangling about immigration, shortly after the Tories and their masters led us to the brink of economic disaster and after a summer of Tory party political turmoil in the middle of a cost of living crisis. The serfs needs distracting again so bring out the big bad refugees, again. Seen it all before.
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Absolutely this. There is no reason for anybody to go without in this country. However, the ultra rich are ripping us off and they get away with it by turning working and middle class people against each other and against the scapegoats which are migrants and the unemployed. It's no great puzzle why the refugee crisis is being so badly handled, it's a weapons factory for the gullible, I may be wrong but I have a fear that the UK and the US are being used testing grounds for the next level of neoliberalism; the likes of which we've never seen before, and, if true, Sunak may turn out to be a very malevolent force.
 
Going to say something highly controversial here. I do not approve of £7million a day being spent on refugees/ economic migrants.£49 million a week - frightening amount.

We have so many needy people in the UK. Those who have to choose between eating or heating. Pensioners on basic level pensions struggling to budget. Benefits folk who again juggle their money to barely survive. Those who risk being thrown out of rented accommodation. Those being forced to accept meters for their energy supplies.

I believe we have a duty to look after the vulnerable - and £7 million a day is an enormous drain on precious resources.

No doubt I will be called uncaring- when it is quite the opposite. I feel greatly for our needy.

Some say we are a wealthy country? Really? We have a debt mountain only compared to war time.So where are the millions a day coming from?

It’s a thorny problem for sure.
 
I’d happily give them a free car. The sad part in all of this is the world in general is full of very poor people. Poverty is very much a disease that the planet can’t escape from. When we see the profits from big oil etc it makes you sick to the stomach to see these numbers and how politicians hide behind words and not actions.

Maybe there should be programs whereby the immigrants get onto ride sharing or some type of program that enables free commuting etc. My point is here, 40 quid a week isn't really going to help them that much in the long run. I think many migrants would want to return their home country one day, so why not give them the best possible chance of doing that?
 
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Nosmo-King said:
Going to say something highly controversial here. I do not approve of £7million a day being spent on refugees/ economic migrants.£49 million a week - frightening amount.

We have so many needy people in the UK. Those who have to choose between eating or heating. Pensioners on basic level pensions struggling to budget. Benefits folk who again juggle their money to barely survive. Those who risk being thrown out of rented accommodation. Those being forced to accept meters for their energy supplies.

I believe we have a duty to look after the vulnerable - and £7 million a day is an enormous drain on precious resources.

No doubt I will be called uncaring- when it is quite the opposite. I feel greatly for our needy.

Some say we are a wealthy country? Really? We have a debt mountain only compared to war time.So where are the millions a day coming from?

It’s a thorny problem for sure.
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We're spending £7m per day (reports differ) because the Home Office (run by Patel then Braverman then Shapps then Braverman again) managed to process the claims of only 4% of those migrants who crossed the channel last year.

Of those 4%, 85% were granted status of some description.

It's not the fault of migrants.
 
Nosmo-King said:
Going to say something highly controversial here. I do not approve of £7million a day being spent on refugees/ economic migrants.£49 million a week - frightening amount.

We have so many needy people in the UK. Those who have to choose between eating or heating. Pensioners on basic level pensions struggling to budget. Benefits folk who again juggle their money to barely survive. Those who risk being thrown out of rented accommodation. Those being forced to accept meters for their energy supplies.

I believe we have a duty to look after the vulnerable - and £7 million a day is an enormous drain on precious resources.

No doubt I will be called uncaring- when it is quite the opposite. I feel greatly for our needy.

Some say we are a wealthy country? Really? We have a debt mountain only compared to war time.So where are the millions a day coming from?

It’s a thorny problem for sure.
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Couldn't we just use £7M of the £350m a week we now don't send to the EU :whistle: :unsure:
 
Nosmo-King said:
Some say we are a wealthy country? Really? We have a debt mountain only compared to war time.So where are the millions a day coming from?
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We are a wealthy country, wealthy countries thrive on debt. After WW2 we had debts which in comparison to today were much higher but we built the NHS.
 
Nosmo-King said:
Going to say something highly controversial here. I do not approve of £7million a day being spent on refugees/ economic migrants.£49 million a week - frightening amount.

We have so many needy people in the UK. Those who have to choose between eating or heating. Pensioners on basic level pensions struggling to budget. Benefits folk who again juggle their money to barely survive. Those who risk being thrown out of rented accommodation. Those being forced to accept meters for their energy supplies.

I believe we have a duty to look after the vulnerable - and £7 million a day is an enormous drain on precious resources.

No doubt I will be called uncaring- when it is quite the opposite. I feel greatly for our needy.

Some say we are a wealthy country? Really? We have a debt mountain only compared to war time.So where are the millions a day coming from?

It’s a thorny problem for sure.
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I don’t think most people would have a problem with refugees taking that out of the economy if the government hadn’t inflicted ten years of austerity on the country, slashed public services funding to the bone (with more to come) overseen the biggest drop in living standards since the dark ages, and left the NHS on its knees - the anger really all boils down to that
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
We are a wealthy country, wealthy countries thrive on debt. After WW2 we had debts which in comparison to today were much higher but we built the NHS.
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........................and had a huge Government - funded National Council House-building programme - creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. We nationalised the mines, gas, electricity, the railways - brought dignity and a decent standard of living to our people, provided every kid with school meals, recognised the 5 "ills" identified by Beveridge:-

Want
Disease
Ignorance
Squalor
Idleness.

As a "civilised" country we established a system based on the needs of the many, not the few.
Living a life, based not on how much was in your wallet, but ensuring the rich paid their share for the benefit of all. (y)
 
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