Pele on end of life care

Yeah hat tricks against local bin men and road sweepers. No club football in Europe puts him behind Maradona for me. Messi probably ahead of both with relative ease.
Were the 3 works cups against bin men? Was the record number of hattricks in world cups against bin men?

I could go on. There shouldn't even be a conversation with anyone who knows football about who is the greatest player ever.

When Ronaldo was asked who was the best ever he replied "there's Pele, then everybody else"
 
Yeah hat tricks against local bin men and road sweepers. No club football in Europe puts him behind Maradona for me. Messi probably ahead of both with relative ease.
Do you think he was playing against binmen in the three World Cups that he won?
In 1958 at the age of 17 he scored one goal in the quarter final, three in the semi final and two in the final.
 
Impossible to compare eras. But by some distance he was the best of his era.

And absolutely set the standard for those who would follow.

Best of all time? We'll never know. Doesn't really matter though, you can only beat/compete with the players in front of you. Anything else is just hypothetical. A fun debate, but one that'll never be definitively resolved.
 
Oh so when you said “most hat tricks in world cups” you actually meant “including the Rica Cup and Intercontinental Cup”. Crystal clear.
Oh do be quiet if you can't debate with a little integrity. Do you stand by your bin man comment? That's what I was responding to, but you knew that, didn't you.
 
The only footage of Pele playing I have ever seen is the Carlos Alberto goal. The header goal. The miss from the halfway line and the miss when he tried to go around the keeper. So I've no idea whether he was any good or not. Oh and getting tackled by Bobby Moore and the save by Gordon banks.

I always think it's a shame whenever they do a documentary on these former greats that they contain so little footage of them playing.

The Brazilians are said to favour garrincha, but that could just be them being obtuse and not wanting to favour the obvious. Like when people say trenchers is better than the magpie.
 
Oh do be quiet if you can't debate with a little integrity. Do you stand by your bin man comment? That's what I was responding to, but you knew that, didn't you.
I stand by my comment that the Brazilian leagues of the 60-70 were not a patch on the European equivalents. You’ve been called out on making up absolute lies “record number of World Cup hat tricks”. You embarrassingly doubled down with some tosh about the Rica Cup. Integrity indeed…
 
Impossible to compare eras. But by some distance he was the best of his era.

And absolutely set the standard for those who would follow.

Best of all time? We'll never know. Doesn't really matter though, you can only beat/compete with the players in front of you. Anything else is just hypothetical. A fun debate, but one that'll never be definitively resolved.
Whilst that seems reasonable on the face of it. In any era there are hundreds of top level players and across that broad spectrum the overall quality will remain pretty constant, training, diet and sports science aside. If you accept that, then Pele was much better amongst his peers than anyone who came later. Ergo he is the best ever.
 
I stand by my comment that the Brazilian leagues of the 60-70 were not a patch on the European equivalents. You’ve been called out on making up absolute lies “record number of World Cup hat tricks”. You embarrassingly doubled down with some tosh about the Rica Cup. Integrity indeed…
I lied? OK, I made a mistake. Are you usually this much of a pr*ck?
 
I stand by my comment that the Brazilian leagues of the 60-70 were not a patch on the European equivalents. You’ve been called out on making up absolute lies “record number of World Cup hat tricks”. You embarrassingly doubled down with some tosh about the Rica Cup. Integrity indeed…
Do you think he was playing against binmen in the three World Cups that he won?
In 1958 at the age of 17 he scored one goal in the quarter final, three in the semi final and two in the final.
 
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