These people

Hi Sherlock, again, where does the money come from to cover the cost of these pay rises? It will increase costs so who takes the hit? I expect the companies involved won’t want their profit margins impacted so they will likely increase prices.
The money comes from increased taxation. It has been shown time and again how it can be afforded without impacting the average person by dealing with all of the issues around taxing the wealthy.
 
I’m not a troll - there are no solutions being put forward other than strike!

Including by you?

Here's a solution for you. Proper and correct taxation of big business, salary caps, a period of pay rises pegged at least the same as inflation for lower earners.

Close the gap. Stop the rich hoarding billions of pounds they never pay tax on and will never spend.

Give the poorer in society a fair crack at a decent standard of living through working.

Use the excess profits of business and salary caps to provide real public services, improve the welfare system for those that really need it and promote growth of green energy.

There's a start.
 
"I`m alright Jack" - for me - boils down to this:

The denial of basic human rights
to withdraw our labour,
to a decent quality of life,
dignity in old age,
care of the young and frail,
compassion and respect
for our fellow beings.

To deny these rights is the key to unlock tyranny.

For me, it means never accept authority without questioning why?
Respect your fellow man, irregardless of race colour creed or belief.
Never let those who would take away your rights do so without a fight.
Wait not for them to attack, but be ready.
Non of us is saved by submitting our minds to enslavement.

Its powerfully summed up by the sentiments of Pastor Martin Niemoller:


First They Came.......

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
 
Hi Sherlock, again, where does the money come from to cover the cost of these pay rises? It will increase costs so who takes the hit? I expect the companies involved won’t want their profit margins impacted so they will likely increase prices.
Shareholders payouts and bonuses to top of the tree would be first thing I would stop.
 
That article is misleading, National Highways employees largely don't operate and maintain the roads, the UK is split into about 28 areas, and in each area this is operated by a massive private company (McAlpine) for the east coast area along A19, A174 east of A19, A66 west of flyover for example. They enter a bidding process for the 5 years or so contract, and highways pay them, the wages are set by the individual companies.

Highways do operate the traffic officer cars (and manage traffic from central offices), in most areas, and those I've spoken to are paid about 35k doing 6 on 3 off, doesn't seem like a bad job to be honest. They spend a lot of time sat about doing nothing, and the cops/ local maintenance companies (like McAlpine) and their sub-contractors do the hard graft. Highways only look after the major roads, the councils do the rest (largely through smaller sub-contractors), most of the council and sub-contractors lads are paid less.

I expect for those striking, the cops (who have been shafted for decades), large main contractors and sub-contractors will end up taking on the traffic officer jobs, probably for less money.
 
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When you say conveniently ignore I’ve asked a few times about the impact of wage inflation- the examples you give show some rather decent percentage pay rises. What do you think that’s going to do to inflation. Companies giving these pay rises ain’t gonn do it out of their profits so it will just lead to increased prices. I’ve mentioned it at least three times and yoh ah e chose to conveniently ignore it.

Also it may make you feel better about yourself but it’s really not neccesaary to include name calling in all your posts to me!

Seriously? That’s all you’ve got? Wage demands cause inflation??? Swallowing the Tory spin hook line and sinker
 
Including by you?

Well done Wee Gord But to be repeatedly called a troll because I ask the question taht no one wants to answer is ridiculous - if taht makes me a troll so be it. I quite like your answer - a lot of that would work!
 
This is the third time I've asked you FatCat.

If there is an issue, as you agree, and this issue need resolving, as you agree.....what is the solution if workers are not to strike?

Stop avoiding the question and just admit you have no answer.
 
This is the third time I've asked you FatCat.

If there is an issue, as you agree, and this issue need resolving, as you agree.....what is the solution if workers are not to strike?

Stop avoiding the question and just admit you have no answer.
No **** Sherlock I said I don’t have an answer about twelve hrs ago and twice since - are you purposely missing those messages?
 
Here`s what can happen when ordinary workers threaten to strike:

Victory!

G4S cash workers suspend planned strikes after pay agreement reached​

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4S cash workers have suspended planned strikes on Monday after a pay deal was agreed with the security giant today.
Members of the GMB union voted in favour of industrial action last month, raising concerns of potential cash shortages at banks and retailers across Britain in the run-up to Christmas.

The outsourcing firm delivers cash and coins to the likes of Barclays, HSBC, Santander, Tesco and Asda.

The strike was due to take place from 3am on Monday after 97 per cent of voting members were in favour of the move.
However, the union has now paused the planned action and is recommending a two-year pay deal from the company to members.
The pay deal will include an 8.5 per cent increase in basic pay and allowances from January 2023.
It will also involve a minimum increase of 3.75 per cent from January 2024, with a maximum of 6 per cent, depending on consumer price index inflation levels in October next year.

G4S had previously tabled an offer of a 6.5 per cent pay rise from January.
GMB national officer Eamon O’Hearn said: “G4S cash staff are low-paid workers doing a dangerous job, transferring the cash so many of us rely on every day.

“They deserve decent pay in this cost-of-living crisis. They will now decide whether this offer is enough.”
A G4S spokesman said: “We are pleased that the GMB is recommending our two-year offer to affected employees and that next week’s strikes have been suspended.”

The security giant was taken over by US firm Allied Universal for £3.8 billion last year.

 
So if you don’t have an answer that doesn’t involve strikes, you can’t have any reasonable objection to their remaining answer that does include strikes.

See, we got there in the end right? 👍
I think his preference though is that people do nothing, lube up and continue to take it. Of course it's not him that's having to take it, so easy to take that stance. Coming across as an incredibly selfish individual.

Bet he's great as an IT contractor. Strikes me as one of those people adept at ******* all over everyone else's ideas but never comes up with anything of their own.
 
Here`s what can happen when ordinary workers threaten to strike:

Victory!

G4S cash workers suspend planned strikes after pay agreement reached​

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4S cash workers have suspended planned strikes on Monday after a pay deal was agreed with the security giant today.
Members of the GMB union voted in favour of industrial action last month, raising concerns of potential cash shortages at banks and retailers across Britain in the run-up to Christmas.

The outsourcing firm delivers cash and coins to the likes of Barclays, HSBC, Santander, Tesco and Asda.

The strike was due to take place from 3am on Monday after 97 per cent of voting members were in favour of the move.
However, the union has now paused the planned action and is recommending a two-year pay deal from the company to members.
The pay deal will include an 8.5 per cent increase in basic pay and allowances from January 2023.
It will also involve a minimum increase of 3.75 per cent from January 2024, with a maximum of 6 per cent, depending on consumer price index inflation levels in October next year.

G4S had previously tabled an offer of a 6.5 per cent pay rise from January.
GMB national officer Eamon O’Hearn said: “G4S cash staff are low-paid workers doing a dangerous job, transferring the cash so many of us rely on every day.

“They deserve decent pay in this cost-of-living crisis. They will now decide whether this offer is enough.”
A G4S spokesman said: “We are pleased that the GMB is recommending our two-year offer to affected employees and that next week’s strikes have been suspended.”

The security giant was taken over by US firm Allied Universal for £3.8 billion last year.

This is what fatcat is failing to grasp isn't it? Striking can work. He's more concerned about catching a train than workers rights though. Sadly he just doesn't care
 
probably most supporting these don’t need to travel at Christmas. Probably live in close quarters to their family so won’t be impacted- but as long as you are alright!

That’s not the case for some of us.
If you're that worried about being stuck in heavy traffic, get up earlier or travel late at night when it's quiet.

I commuted from central London to Boro at Christmas for years. Certain days are often a nightmare at the wrong time, or if there's an incident. Don't travel at the wrong time.
 
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