£27,000 a year?

bencha said:
Probably based on Londoners, living wage is £11.05, and based on a 40 hour week equates to £22984 pa, so OP is right for London, for 9 million people
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Minimum Wage and National Living Wage are completely different.....OP said minimum wage so my figures are right 👍
 
The Tories just view the NHS as they have with every other public service they’ve got their hands on - a giant cash cow. The same tactic has been used on everything they’ve privatised - run it into the ground then say it’s not working so it needs to be privatised. Of course the NHS is already well on the way to being pretty much ran by private health care corporations. There may be some remanent of free health care for the very poorest who can’t afford private health insurance, but you can guarantee those who have to rely on it will be at the very bottom of the queue waiting for whatever treatment they might need. Absolute disgrace what’s happening to this country
 
sherlock1969 said:
criticising railway workers, postmen, public sector workers etc.
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Divide and conquer.

Instead of looking at the people doing something to improve THEIR wages have a look at the wages of CEOs and Directors, then look at who is telling you that the railway workers, the nurses and postmen are "greedy" wanting to improve their wages, the politicians, the right-wing press and people who have made themselves rich on the backs of others. Know your opponent, know your allies.
 
Boroboyyo said:
On my pgce I was effectively in schools doing on the job training . My first placement had me in a school where expelled kids went in London . So sorry , I’m not buying the fact they worked in a hospital beforehand as justification they deserve a better salary

I was a physics teacher too , and without stroking my own ego too much I was told regularly I was good at my job . If these nurses don’t like the conditions they knowingly walked into , then they need to look for roles in different sectors
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"I had it slightly tough for a while, so no one else should get a wage the deserve despite the fact that some of them literally can't afford to eat on the wages they're paid"

BTW, I think teachers should also be paid more too, especially ones with a tiny degree of empathy so that probably excludes you.
 
Boroboyyo said:
On my pgce I was effectively in schools doing on the job training . My first placement had me in a school where expelled kids went in London . So sorry , I’m not buying the fact they worked in a hospital beforehand as justification they deserve a better salary

I was a physics teacher too , and without stroking my own ego too much I was told regularly I was good at my job . If these nurses don’t like the conditions they knowingly walked into , then they need to look for roles in different sectors
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:poop:🤡
 
Muttley said:
Divide and conquer.

Instead of looking at the people doing something to improve THEIR wages have a look at the wages of CEOs and Directors, then look at who is telling you that the railway workers, the nurses and postmen are "greedy" wanting to improve their wages, the politicians, the right-wing press and people who have made themselves rich on the backs of others. Know your opponent, know your allies.
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Look at the wages, and benefits of a MP before you even go looking at the private sector.

Compare and contrast the price of a meal in the subsidised HoC canteen with that in a hospital canteen, and get angry at that.
 
Boroboyyo said:
On my pgce I was effectively in schools doing on the job training . My first placement had me in a school where expelled kids went in London . So sorry , I’m not buying the fact they worked in a hospital beforehand as justification they deserve a better salary

I was a physics teacher too , and without stroking my own ego too much I was told regularly I was good at my job . If these nurses don’t like the conditions they knowingly walked into , then they need to look for roles in different sectors
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Jeez, I hope you had a little more empathy when you were in the classroom? 🙄

Sounds like you were stitched up on your PGCE btw, you're supposed to be supernumerate and not there as a member of staff.
 
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Boroboyyo said:
If these nurses don’t like the conditions they knowingly walked into , then they need to look for roles in different sectors
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Nurses have seen an 8% cut in wages in real terms since the Conservatives took power in 2010. "Knowingly walked into" isn't going to fool anyone.

I have some sympathy with the rest of the public sector, but the real terms pay cut across the rest of the public sector is only 6%
 
Frozen Horse said:
Nurses have seen an 8% cut in wages in real terms since the Conservatives took power in 2010. "Knowingly walked into" isn't going to fool anyone.

I have some sympathy with the rest of the public sector, but the real terms pay cut across the rest of the public sector is only 6%
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It depends what you mean by "nurse" because there is a range of pay. The starting salary for a qualified nurse is up 24% in 12 years and a band 6 starting salary is up 32%. Inflation was 32% so that doesn't look bad. However, most people aren't on the 1st step. I'd guess the majority are at the top of the scale. Top of band 5 is only up 20% and top of band 6 is only up 19% which is easy behind inflation.

Higher grades have it even worse. My paypoint is only up 17% in 12 years.
 
r00fie1 said:
I wouldnt expect someone with cancer or neurological health issues to arrange an appointment with a teacher. I would expect to see a fully qualified trained experienced specialist clinical practitioner. Im glad you enjoyed teaching physics. You use the past tense "was". So what do you do now? Why dont you teach any more?
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Because of the work life balance , not the salary . My commute was hour and a half to get there , and that back . Plus the sheer level of lesson planning and marking . I again was going to bed at 12am and had to leave my flat in London for 6am to get to work. It wasn’t sustainable for me. . I imagine the first people those people with those complex conditions are going to are specialists in their field , much before nurses . I work in IT now , with the eventual aim of getting into cybersecurity . I did my msc in it last year too. I actually made decent money on teaching , I was actually promoted to head of key stage 3 science pretty quickly .

Nurses are a public sector job so their salaries are somewhat dictated by taxes and what they’re prepared to charge the populace . You might be happy for higher taxes but I’m not . I’m not a socialist , and never have been .

As I said , if these people are not happy with the conditions that they knowingly entered and are now complaining about , they are entitled to leave the field and look elsewhere .

FYI my mam also used to be a senior nurse at James cook and actually made very good money doing it . So again I’m not buying the limited progression in the field
 
Boroboyyo said:
Because of the work life balance , not the salary . My commute was hour and a half to get there , and that back . Plus the sheer level of lesson planning and marking . I again was going to bed at 12am and had to leave my flat in London for 6am to get to work. It wasn’t sustainable for me. . I imagine the first people those people with those complex conditions are going to are specialists in their field , much before nurses . I work in IT now , with the eventual aim of getting into cybersecurity . I did my msc in it last year too. I actually made decent money on teaching , I was actually promoted to head of key stage 3 science pretty quickly .

Nurses are a public sector job so their salaries are somewhat dictated by taxes and what they’re prepared to charge the populace . You might be happy for higher taxes but I’m not . I’m not a socialist , and never have been .

As I said , if these people are not happy with the conditions that they knowingly entered and are now complaining about , they are entitled to leave the field and look elsewhere .

FYI my mam also used to be a senior nurse at James cook and actually made very good money doing it . So again I’m not buying the limited progression in the field
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“As I said , if these people are not happy with the conditions that they knowingly entered and are now complaining about , they are entitled to leave the field and look elsewhere “
And they are in their droves - have you not noticed ? Do you even care 🙄
 
sherlock1969 said:
Of course he doesn't, he's a Tory and as we know, all Tories are selfish.
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It’s not “selfish” at all . It’s merely looking at it from a different perspective to you . For the record , my vote changes according to the most appealing at the time . I have voted both Labour or conservative in the past . Political parties are not football teams who deserve unwavering loyalty

I can certainly see the justification if it results in better working conditions for the nurses , but just raising their wages to their demands is just trying a simple fix to a complex issue. We’re entering recession now, cost of living is going up and any increase in wages is going to be costed to the taxpayer as they’re public sector workers . Telling lower earning people that their nic contributions must go up to account for an entry level role that is already paying near the average uk salary already isn’t ethical either

I can understand if they want to ease working conditions and that is entirely justifiable if the work load is mental . I’ve dealt with that myself . Op was trying to make out that 27k is ridiculous for a starting wage though . I happen to disagree
 
Boroboyyo said:
Because of the work life balance , not the salary . My commute was hour and a half to get there , and that back . Plus the sheer level of lesson planning and marking . I again was going to bed at 12am and had to leave my flat in London for 6am to get to work. It wasn’t sustainable for me. . I imagine the first people those people with those complex conditions are going to are specialists in their field , much before nurses . I work in IT now , with the eventual aim of getting into cybersecurity . I did my msc in it last year too. I actually made decent money on teaching , I was actually promoted to head of key stage 3 science pretty quickly .

Nurses are a public sector job so their salaries are somewhat dictated by taxes and what they’re prepared to charge the populace . You might be happy for higher taxes but I’m not . I’m not a socialist , and never have been .

As I said , if these people are not happy with the conditions that they knowingly entered and are now complaining about , they are entitled to leave the field and look elsewhere .

FYI my mam also used to be a senior nurse at James cook and actually made very good money doing it . So again I’m not buying the limited progression in the field
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None so blind as those who cannot see.
The world is all about you.
Enjoy(y)
 
Boroboyyo said:
On my pgce I was effectively in schools doing on the job training . My first placement had me in a school where expelled kids went in London . So sorry , I’m not buying the fact they worked in a hospital beforehand as justification they deserve a better salary

I was a physics teacher too , and without stroking my own ego too much I was told regularly I was good at my job . If these nurses don’t like the conditions they knowingly walked into , then they need to look for roles in different sectors
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I bet they wish they had thought of that sooner. They all just need to get better jobs! You better tell them so they can stop this silly strike business. Sadly they likely don’t have the brilliant mind of an esteemed physics teacher.

You didn’t happen to be the Conservative Party Chairman recently did you?
 
Boroboyyo said:
It’s not “selfish” at all . It’s merely looking at it from a different perspective to you . For the record , my vote changes according to the most appealing at the time . I have voted both Labour or conservative in the past . Political parties are not football teams who deserve unwavering loyalty

I can certainly see the justification if it results in better working conditions for the nurses , but just raising their wages to their demands is just trying a simple fix to a complex issue. We’re entering recession now, cost of living is going up and any increase in wages is going to be costed to the taxpayer as they’re public sector workers . Telling lower earning people that their nic contributions must go up to account for an entry level role that is already paying near the average uk salary already isn’t ethical either

I can understand if they want to ease working conditions and that is entirely justifiable if the work load is mental . I’ve dealt with that myself . Op was trying to make out that 27k is ridiculous for a starting wage though . I happen to disagree
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Erm, yes it is selfish! You are advocating a race to the bottom. People want paying a reasonable wage for the work they do.
 
Boroboyyo said:
On my pgce I was effectively in schools doing on the job training . My first placement had me in a school where expelled kids went in London . So sorry , I’m not buying the fact they worked in a hospital beforehand as justification they deserve a better salary

I was a physics teacher too , and without stroking my own ego too much I was told regularly I was good at my job . If these nurses don’t like the conditions they knowingly walked into , then they need to look for roles in different sectors
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Your decisions weren't life or death on an hourly basis. It's a good job nurses remain in post despite you wishing them to leave its they don't like it - if you injured that large ego of yours who would care for you?
 
Boroboyyo said:
You might be happy for higher taxes but I’m not . I’m not a socialist , and never have been .
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I'm pretty sure no one thinks that you are a socialist with your last few posts - you certainly sound more to the right of politics... I'd go so far as to suggest you enjoy voting Tory. It does sound form the tone of your posts that you do think you are better than most people.
 
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