19 Leicester Councilors Stood Down.

exiledinboro said:
And now 15 BAME councillors have been told they can’t stand

In comparison 4 white councillors were also told they couldn’t stand
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I was about to post similar. 15 out of 26 BAME councillors deselected. 4 out of 22 white councillors deselected. Not even worth asking the question if racism or unconscious bias is at play borofur? Starmer just infalliable in your eyes?
 
exiledinboro said:
In the week that the QC who reported on Labour found a “hierarchy of racism” and found Labour have ignored him since his report it’s not a good look

And now 15 BAME councillors have been told they can’t stand

In comparison 4 white councillors were also told they couldn’t stand

You’re defending that Borofur?

Course you are 🤔
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Those Labour Councillors have been de-selected by the Party main office - not by the local party members - that`s democracy (?).
Leicester Labour Party has a similar stamp to Nottingham: it follows in the long tradition of trades union activism and support for working class struggle.
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Alice Hawkins** - one of the suffragettes, has a statue in Leicester Market Place - she was a shoe machinist [boot and shoe / hosiery - biggest traditional industries in the City] - supported by her fellow workers - at a time when the bosses tried to stop them supporting her. There were numerous "co-operatives" in the shoe and hosiery industry.
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The Jarrow Marchers stayed in Leicester on their way to London and the cobblers repaired their boots through-out the night ready for the next day. The City has a long history around the Quakers***, with support for the peace movement during the second world war. There is the Secular Hall - which has a tradition of providing rooms and the hall for speakers from trades unions, workers campaigns and similar movements. The Indian workers Association has a long history since the early 195o`s of helping refugees and workers from the Asian sub-continent and is still active in supporting all the recent strikes in the Public sector.
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The City has a proud history of confronting the Fascists and racists*. In the 70`s the local rag - "The Leicester Mercury" - openly supported the National Front and tried to smear anti racists as "extremists" (!). - [It Was then owned by Northcliffe Newspapers - Lord Rothermere - who owned the Daily `Hoorar for the Blackshirts`Mail]. During the Miners Strike in the 70`s, the Power Workers Strikes and local government strikes against Thatcher "the milk snatcher" - the City was at the forefront of the fight against cuts and austerity.
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During the Miners Strike 84/85 - the "Dirty Thirty"**** who refused to cross picket lines and remained in the NUM - were supported with collections for food and donations outside every major supermarket and in the local factories. The local Trades Council played a leading role in organising against the racists and supporting the miners - in spite of attempts by Thatchers poodle - Neil Greatrex to destroy the NUM in the County.
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More recently, there has been strikes to support the right of workers at Samworth Brothers Ltd to join a union - one of the city`s two largest food manufacturers [The other being Walkers Crisps]. Samworth brothers relies on casual workers on zero hours contractsa and agency workers - for long 12 hour shifts on huge production lines - producing for Tesco and numerous other brands across the country. Most of the workers are Asian women - not noted for being the most radical or "militant" sector of the working population.
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That history and that tradition hasnt disappeared and isnt forgotten by voters and Party Members. No amount of authoritarian meddling and deliberate attempts to silence dissent by the Stalinist Labour Party Central Office - or ignoring of the hierachy of racism in his Party by Starmer - will shut up the people of that City. Stalinists, light blue Tory`s, Racists , and chamelion`s wont silence the voice of ordinary people. They`ve tried before and each time has lead to the Labour Movement coming back stronger, better organised and ready for the fight. Take note.

* https://www.nednewitt.com/wp/
** https://www.alicehawkinssuffragette.co.uk/
*** https://qfhs.co.uk/public_html/research/counties/leics.htm
**** https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirty-Thirty-Heroes-Miners-Strike/dp/1905512678
***** https://thecorbynproject.com/news/j...r-in-support-of-workers-at-samworth-brothers/​
 
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BlindBoyGrunt said:
This raises serious questions.
1. What on earth is going on in the Labour Party?
2. Why is Keir Starmer seemingly incapable of sticking to his own pledges and promises?

One more question. Have any Keir Starmer supporters on this board altered their initial impressions of him over the years, even just a little bit?
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Here are three answers:
1) They're battering the Tories, by the biggest margin since I've been alive, and the ones in the party who seem to like to lose, are trying to make them lose again, or don't understand that if you don't win, you get less than zero.
2) Because the world changed. Pandemic, Hyper Inflation, Energy Crisis, War, a shift to the far right with brexit, faced three different PM's and already seen two off. You're still throwing shot putt's in the decathalon, when everyone else is concerned about the other 9 events with more points up for grabs.
3) Yeah, I was a small fan before, but didn't vote for him as I wasn't a member. I'm a member now though, and would vote for him.
He knows what he needs to do to win, and put the Tories to the sword, and won't let people risk undermining that. It's great that he manages to handle the press, so that zero the far right throw at him can stick.

For the 20th time:
Pushing for a left-sided party (which has lost two elections), at the time of a far-right uprising (which they're currently seeing off) is the worst thing to do, the only approach with any logic is to control the centre, just like it has been for any vote in a two horse race.
Saying "but we've got a big lead now", push for more left-sided polices doesn't really work, when the reason they are winning by so much of a margin in the first place is because they haven't pushed that.
Labour need two terms to overcome the damage caused, just scraping a win, or risking a loss in one won't change much, they need a big win and then to hold that.
There's no manifesto in place, it's not going to be like the Tory manifesto.

As for the article, highlighting the BAME makeup of the exodus is irrelevant, compared to what they're pushing for with regards to Labours direction. This is even more so when the article clearly mentions that BAME/ women representation will go up. Why even mention the BAME aspect, can BAME people not vote for white and vice versa? 26/48 councillors were BAME, 22/48 white, in a city which has a roughly 50/50 BAME/ White split. Labour have massive control over the council, having councillors going in the direction of a winning Labour party is more important than one which want's to pull in the losing direction. Even if they go down to 40 councillors and 8 independents, this is better than having 48, with 20 pulling in the wrong direction.
 
Personally I prefer the far right Tories. They've increased the size of the civil service. They've given us our first pay rises in a decade insignificant as they are. They're even ending no fault evictions. Whereas before the "lurch to the far right" they froze our pay and cut our staff by a third.

But yeah I'm sure by not voting labour I'll be helping in the fourth Reich.
 
exiledinboro said:
My local MP candidate has been announced

White male and senior management class

🤷🏻‍♂️

Who would have guessed
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Would you rather someone with zero management ability as an MP?

MP's are often more skilled/ experienced than the people they represent, as effectively they're meant to be a leader of sorts.

No idea what colour or sex has to do with it mind? Surely, it should be whoever puts themselves forward, who is best for the job, who aligns with the direction the party needs to go in to win, and someone who the locals will respect and vote for.
 
Andy_W said:
Here are three answers:
1) They're battering the Tories, by the biggest margin since I've been alive, and the ones in the party who seem to like to lose, are trying to make them lose again, or don't understand that if you don't win, you get less than zero.
2) Because the world changed. Pandemic, Hyper Inflation, Energy Crisis, War, a shift to the far right with brexit, faced three different PM's and already seen two off. You're still throwing shot putt's in the decathalon, when everyone else is concerned about the other 9 events with more points up for grabs.
3) Yeah, I was a small fan before, but didn't vote for him as I wasn't a member. I'm a member now though, and would vote for him.
He knows what he needs to do to win, and put the Tories to the sword, and won't let people risk undermining that. It's great that he manages to handle the press, so that zero the far right throw at him can stick.

For the 20th time:
Pushing for a left-sided party (which has lost two elections), at the time of a far-right uprising (which they're currently seeing off) is the worst thing to do, the only approach with any logic is to control the centre, just like it has been for any vote in a two horse race.
Saying "but we've got a big lead now", push for more left-sided polices doesn't really work, when the reason they are winning by so much of a margin in the first place is because they haven't pushed that.
Labour need two terms to overcome the damage caused, just scraping a win, or risking a loss in one won't change much, they need a big win and then to hold that.
There's no manifesto in place, it's not going to be like the Tory manifesto.

As for the article, highlighting the BAME makeup of the exodus is irrelevant, compared to what they're pushing for with regards to Labours direction. This is even more so when the article clearly mentions that BAME/ women representation will go up. Why even mention the BAME aspect, can BAME people not vote for white and vice versa? 26/48 councillors were BAME, 22/48 white, in a city which has a roughly 50/50 BAME/ White split. Labour have massive control over the council, having councillors going in the direction of a winning Labour party is more important than one which want's to pull in the losing direction. Even if they go down to 40 councillors and 8 independents, this is better than having 48, with 20 pulling in the wrong direction.
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Andy - regards your last paragraph: the BAME Councillors have not volunteered to stand down as councillors at the next election. They have been told from above they will not be selected - and the local party members wont have any say in the matter.
In a City with a Labour Majority of 49 to 5, the only explanation for authoritarian dictation from London and denial of local democracy is political.
This has nothing to do with "wrong direction" or any such thing. Its a deliberate authoritarian political attempt to take away democracy in local Labour Party`s. Nothing more. nothing less.

Labour has returned a Labour Mayor for the last 12 years.!
It has three Labour MP`s. in its three constituencies.!
It has controlled the City Council for the last 16 years [since 2007]!

If it aint broke.
Dont fix it. !
 
Andy_W said:
2) Because the world changed. Pandemic, Hyper Inflation, Energy Crisis, War, a shift to the far right with brexit, faced three different PM's and already seen two off. You're still throwing shot putt's in the decathalon, when everyone else is concerned about the other 9 events with more points up for grabs.
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This is stupid as well. You need new lines Andy. No matter whats being discussed you repeat the same few ideas. The pandemic and war in Ukraine = the party must get rid of the incumbent councillors in Leicester? Pull the other one. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with that.
 
SuperStu said:
Moronic thing to say given what we know about the internal sabotage under the last leadership. There was only one faction that wanted to lose the last two elections and it wasn't the left.
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The staffers, right wing MPs and the Starmer faction deliberately undermined and sabotaged the socialist leadership and the 600,000 members, and handed the election over to Johnson.
 
I have no idea what has gone on in Leicester, but you can be sure something will have happened to cause concern. But equally if anyone thinks that Starmer gets involved in who is and who isn't standing in local council elections, really don't know how the party or indeed Starmer works.
 
exiledinboro said:
I also don’t understand the cults obsession with polls first Labour are 18% ahead on the average/aggregate polls.

Labour need a 10-13% lead supposedly to win an election whereas Tories only need a 3% lead

And why the Cult obsession with polls when a general election is either 1 year to 18 months away?

Why celebrate a poll lead whilst the Tories have complete power and run the country 🤦‍♂️

Labour are a pro Brexit party in case anyone is under any illusions 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Polls tend to show who is going to vote where, with a fairly high degree of accuracy, which is quite important when that vote dictates which party is going to be given the keys for 5 years.

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The polls were just as important in 2020, when people were slagging Starmer off, whinging about being behind etc, yet now they're basically whining about being so far ahead, strange.

Where were the polls before Starmer came in, how were the polls looking at any point since Blair left?

18 months is not a long time to turn such a lead around, not unless you've some major good news coming. There is no major good news coming (for the Tories).

Labour are not pro-brexit, they're trying to make the best of a terrible situation, caused by the previous Tory PM's, and the lack of a strong opposition fighting for Remain BEFORE and after the brexit vote, or doing well enough to even beat Theresa May, whilst she was being shot at by her own party.
Starmer would have fought for Remain with a lot more conviction than Corbyn did, and probably would have beat May.
Thankfully Starmer realises the Remain ship has sailed, and the only way forward now is to get the duped leave voters who jumped ship, back on his (and Labour's) side. It's very unfortunate we need these voters, but that's not a problem Labour can realistically control, it's a mathematical fact. Hopefully closer ties to the EU than we have now, will bring back enough appetite to go back in the SM and CU one day, but that is not on the agenda in the next 5 years at least, it would be a polititcal hand grenade.
 
exiledinboro said:
Andy you’re really right wing so of course I’m not going to agree with you

But my concern is authoritarianism, and a report into Labour finding their is a hierarchy of racism

And the QC highlighted that internal disciplinary was used against BAME people to remove them from upper roles

And someone as right wing as you just totally dismisses that 15 BAME councillors have just been removed

I’m not surprised but there we are 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Right-wing :LOL: That's the most laughable thing I'vevere heard, which is good going on here. I've been shooting down the right wing for as long as I can remember,

I'm left of centre, and voted for Corbyn twice, I don't know many right-wing doing that? I knew he would lose mind, but I didn't try and undermine his effort.

There's a racism problem all over the UK, which is largely age-related, that's going to take a long time to change. The racists have kids, and bring them up the wrong way etc.
A problem with racism is that nobody really admits to being a racist, most of them don't hold up a sign etc. They don't say things in public, with people they don't know, and those who are racist don't exactly advertise it in the workplace. Although saying that, I hear it out on site most weeks, so they're not that quiet.

It's mathematical. pure voter numbers, but not all votes are equal unfortunately, those in the middle who can, will and do switch sides control the outcome of the election. I don't like that it's this way, but that is the way it is.

20 councillors have been kicked, the majority of councillors were BAME, and a lot of BAME councillors and women will be replacing them. I would be amazed if the new council wasn't roughly a 50/50 split, like Leicester is 50/50 split with BAME and White.

The party needs people who largely align with the leadership of the party, this is priority number 1. Then surely you should want the best people for the job, regardless of sex and ethnicity?
 
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