Chappy112
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Boris shouldn't be the standard, I don't care what Boris did, he is vile.
19 Leicester Councilors Stood Down.
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gregorgregorovich
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Do you mean backing it up with substance like, "I'd bet my hat they are all effing useless", or is it some other type of substance?
jonny_greenings_sock
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I don’t see
I’d still bet my hat they’re all F***ing useless, honestly. Hard to back it up with evidence but let’s see how those councillors’ careers go in the next 20 years.
Yearbyred
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Reading this thread reminds me of a conversation I had with a very left wing mate of mine in the village.
He was saying a few years ago, when he was a member of some fringe left wing group, they tried to set up a “socialist alliance” group with other left wing groups around Teesside.
I asked him what happened to it and he said they had to disband it as they couldn’t agree on anything.
Seems about right. Or left in this case.
He was saying a few years ago, when he was a member of some fringe left wing group, they tried to set up a “socialist alliance” group with other left wing groups around Teesside.
I asked him what happened to it and he said they had to disband it as they couldn’t agree on anything.
Seems about right. Or left in this case.
The Ruthsayer
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Splitters!
Lets go back to the far Left and give the Tories another landslide.
gregorgregorovich
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Far left. I know that's how it was portrayed in the Tory press, but it was probably closer to what a large number of European countries have implemented and take for granted. It certainly wasn't taking over the commanding heights of the economy, proposed by the far left in the 1980's. As if the anti Corbyn MP's played no part in the 2019 election defeat. I remember my own MP at the time, going on any TV show she could and attacking members of her own party with absolute relish. I also remember Jess Phillips saying she would stab Starmer in the front, I remember Stephen Kinnock's shock and seeming disappointment, when the results of the 2017 election came out.Lets go back to the far Left and give the Tories another landslide.
Think of the alternative we keep getting told, unity is strength. I just wish, that those who keep asking that of us also practised it themselves. Starmer's 10 promises would probably be viewed as far left, when in reality they're not. But the sad thing is, nearly all of those 10 promises, according to most polls, are extremely popular.
But, for the avoidance of any doubt, I do realise what the alternative means and at the upcoming local elections and in the next General election, I will be voting accordingly, as I have at every election since I was old enough to vote, even the blooming PCC elections for chrissake, unlike a few people on this board and even on this thread.
gregorgregorovich
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I remember many moons ago being invited to a meeting of members of Militant Tendency in the Boro. After 20 minutes or so, I asked when the rifles were being handed around. I wasn't invited back.
Laughing
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There is a fair amount of finagling from both sides whenever the subject turns to starmer. He is neither a racist nor scrupulously honest. Corbyn was scuppered by the right in his own party at the last election, however he had a couple of goes and failed, whether that was bad leadership, or just not offerring something the country could get behind. It doesn't really matter which.
For the record, I am not keen on starmer, but he reflects my values far more than the tories do, and folks, that is the choice you are being given.
For the record, I am not keen on starmer, but he reflects my values far more than the tories do, and folks, that is the choice you are being given.
gregorgregorovich
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Just about sums up how I feel, but I would add that there are people in the Labour party that reflect my views, not necessarily Starmer.
This board definitely has a right wing slant but most of the time it's just ranting and very little actual politics and policies are rarely discussed and when they are it gets shut down
This week we had hundreds of judges say they will ignore the oath the swore to protect to refuse to prosecute climate protesters, whilst Starmer wants to prosecute themThe weed statements were again interesting but again seems weird to use as an example of law and order. It's a more interesting solution to out problems
Then he shows again what a dishonest leader he is saying the MET needs reform. Last month he was praising the MET commissioner Cressida d*ck. He is going to be a liability in a general election
So it's not just about past pledges but about his integrity
And the polls are based on 2 events parrygate and Truss not on what Starner is doing. Most polls actually show when asked questions like who do you want as PM a majority for "non of the above"
There can't be UKIP, Reform, Tories and Labour on the right and centre right as there will have to be a new party or we will see an enormous shift to greens and independents
Hope that is sarcasm . It’s not got a “right wing slant “ it is pretty much verging on loony left territory here
It also seems very detached from average boro opinions on here too
r00fie1
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RubbishLets go back to the far Left and give the Tories another landslide.
Scrote
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Even if you start from the viewpoint that Corbyn was hard-left and Starmer is just 'normal' left you'd still have a hard time suggesting that the board is anywhere near looney-left.
There are perhaps half-a-dozen leftists who post regularly.
There is an abundance of centrists spanning centre-left through centre-right.
Then there is an abundance of right wingers heading all the way out to RWNJ territory.
The idea that the board verges on looney-leftism probably highlights your own political viewpoint far more than it describes the board.
Scrote
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Starmer is an ideology free political stooge. For a leader of the Labour Party that is about as insincere and dishonest as it gets.
Firstly I'd disagree strongly with the first statement. Wes Streeting ffs.
Secondly (as above) without ideology what's the point?
Competence was what people accused Mussolini of. Great role model.
Why are we bringing corbyn into what I said ?
I don’t deny that I’m in the right , but I consider myself centre right largely . I’ve been on boards that have a mixture of left and right views and this is the most left wing one I’ve ever been on
Everyone is entitled to their opinions , but when I read stuff on here it just seems a lot more detached from general views I hear in public . Especially boro .
Scrote
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This is just rewriting history to suit your own position.
We are where we are because of Starmer. Not despite him.
Everything Starmer did around Brexit (as the Shadow Brexit Secretary, no less) leading up to the 2019 election was calculated to damage Labour (and therefore Corbyn) and was then swiftly binned when he took leadership. If he had a conviction to fight against Brexit he would have stood by his principles. The fact it was actually just political opportunism and not actual principles speaks volumes.
Scrote
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Because Corbyn's manifesto is a conventient anchor point for what constitutes leftism.
From that you can describe his political compass position in any way you want before extrapolating out the other positions from Corbyn as a starting point.
You could try to do the same with e.g. Farage but on a much more limited set of positions (immigration, EU etc - what is Farage's position on the NHS for instance?).
You said the board was looney-left but there are only a handful of people that support Corbynism. If your viewpoint is that that in and of itself is looney-left then it stands that the board in general can't be.
r00fie1
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Hailed as a human-rights champion and political outsider, what sort of politician is Keir Starmer really, and what mark is he making on the new politics of Labour?
In The Starmer Project, Oliver Eagleton provides a careful reading of Starmer’s record at the Crown Prosecution Service and as a member of Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet, tracing the political alliances he forged and the roots of his bid for the party leadership.
Starmer originally pledged to revitalise Corbynism with a dose of lawyerly competence. To understand what happened afterwards it is necessary to understand the man himself. So little remains known about Starmer that his actions are usually interpreted as overtures to others. On closer inspection, however, he is anything but an empty political vessel.
Thankfully the vocal duffle coat camel boot wearing dreamers on here are a tiny minority in the general population.
The rest of us realist Labour supporters see exactly what the looney left have given this country and the appalling damage their hero Corbyn has left us with.
Some people havent been able to leave their juvenile Uni politics behind.
The real world NEEDS rid of the Tories, and with Starmer we have a chance of that.
Pathetic snipes by a noisy few thankfully will do little to stop it.
The rest of us realist Labour supporters see exactly what the looney left have given this country and the appalling damage their hero Corbyn has left us with.
Some people havent been able to leave their juvenile Uni politics behind.
The real world NEEDS rid of the Tories, and with Starmer we have a chance of that.
Pathetic snipes by a noisy few thankfully will do little to stop it.
r00fie1
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Critical Thinking doesnt appear to be one of your strengths.