An other/open category in sport

No. There would be complaints that it didn't get the coverage even though they couldn't put out a competitive field.

The only "equal" solution is to do away with all categories and just have a single open category for everyone.
Wheelchair athletes would dominate all distance running over 400m
 
I really don't know why there's such a fuss about this. Athletics is ****. It's just running about a bit or jumping over something or lifting something. It's incredibly dull. Proper sports involve more than just doing one thing and are consequently more interesting. I don't know why anyone would care enough about it to get so hot and bothered under the collar about. If transgender people aren't allowed to participate in athletics who cares? It's athletics. If women are unfairly disadvantaged who cares? It's athletics. It's just not worth giving a **** about. If people want to argue about something, they should argue about something more worthwhile.
 
You don’t need to put female in inverted commas borolad259 if indeed they were transgender, in which case their gender is female. If they were not transgender then they are male gender.

Also message to all, please do not mix up gender and sex, the 2 are different.

Finally, yes let’s have a decision that effects/penalises the least number of people rather than trying to be inclusive. We should maybe run all of our decisions like this ey? It’s not a nice thing to do but heck it effects the least number of people.

Nice.
It's difficult to not mix up gender and sex when there is no common language available to do otherwise. The historical blurring of the lines is where a lot of the problems in trans-discourse come from (and why people use "cis"). You've said yourself that if someone is a transwoman then they are female. How do I describe the sexed version of a ciswoman without going through some verbal gymnastics. "Biological Female" is probably the best I can come up with so I hope that's acceptable.

If you deliberately disadvantage 50% of the population (biological females), what happens when that 50% stop participating (it is already happening in some sports)? Is that inclusive?

Biological female athletes should be able to compete exclusively against other biological female athletes.
 
That would totally unfair on 50% of the population.
This account (or was it Rob FMTTM, please correct me either way) outrageously equated transexualism with paedophilia before quickly deleting the thread - without apology - after being called out by many on the board. So opinion is severely tainted.
 
"You don’t need to put female in inverted commas borolad259 if indeed they were transgender, in which case their gender is female. If they were not transgender then they are male gender."

Well, yes I did. Because they were competing in that category.
I am also not privy to such personal details as whether or not they had undergone gender re-assignment surgery.
 
Swimming and cycling are two I've read about recently.
Do you think sporting organisations mandating teenage girls provide menstruation information will have an effect on participation?

What about Dr's performing genital checks if someone complains that you are too masculine/good?
 
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It is disappointing, and maybe the phrasing could be better, suspected of being trans makes it sound like a criminal offence.

Maybe me just being a bit touchy as I know the difficulties my daughter and other trans people go through.
 
I still don't understand the obsession with trans. I have never seen a thread on whether or not F40 athletes should be allowed to compete with F61 and I would imagine there are far more disabled athletes than trans.

It's odd.

The reason that it's a problem is that there is legacy UK legislation which prevents the governing body (ie UKA) from preventing trans women from competing against "birth" women. Many athletes who were born female are objecting to competing against trans women because of the percieved performance advantage that they are likely to have. It's not so much an obsession than an issue that requires clarity. There are no such problems with age categories.
 
It is disappointing, and maybe the phrasing could be better, suspected of being trans makes it sound like a criminal offence.

Maybe me just being a bit touchy as I know the difficulties my daughter and other trans people go through.

Well, I kind of know what you mean, and I have a young trans woman in my extended family who faces many obstacles, one being language. But I would say that any pejorative connotation attached to the word "suspected" in this case is over-sensitivity. The pejorative isn't intended in any way ... what other language would you suggest? No-one knew, but they had an "inkling"?
 
As I say probably over sensitive.

It is difficult and to be honest I may feel slightly different if I wasn’t so involved.
 
If born a male you enter Male events
If born a female you enter Female events

if you decide to change sex for whatever reason you are automatically banned from entering these events-if’s really simple
 
I'd get rid of all the barriers in sport and just let men/women/trans all compete against each other. You want equality well there you go.
Obviously some sports have weight categories so I'd keep them but still let everyone compete together in their weight category.
 
I'd get rid of all the barriers in sport and just let men/women/trans all compete against each other. You want equality well there you go.
Obviously some sports have weight categories so I'd keep them but still let everyone compete together in their weight category.
A male versus female category is not equal. Physically we are not equal across sexes. The disparity in speed strength, force from females to males across the same weight category in combat sports as example is vast. The female frame will not have the same resistance to impact as a males. This is not equality.

Female and male sex division creates equality of opportunity for sexes.
 
I still don't understand the obsession with trans. I have never seen a thread on whether or not F40 athletes should be allowed to compete with F61 and I would imagine there are far more disabled athletes than trans.

It's odd.
I don't think anyone is campaigning to allow an F40 athlete to compete with an F61 athlete.

Why would people discuss something that doesn't happen?
 
"You don’t need to put female in inverted commas borolad259 if indeed they were transgender, in which case their gender is female. If they were not transgender then they are male gender."

Well, yes I did. Because they were competing in that category.
I am also not privy to such personal details as whether or not they had undergone gender re-assignment surgery.
It is disappointing, and maybe the phrasing could be better, suspected of being trans makes it sound like a criminal offence.

Maybe me just being a bit touchy as I know the difficulties my daughter and other trans people go through.
I think it's this story that you're referring to:

Lauren Jeska
 
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