Boro v Derby: some bizarre ideas from the Derby fans forum.....

JM14 said:
That is absolutely hilarious, imagine after all this still thinking Gibson is in the wrong

If they had used this energy to call out their owner for obvious cheating at the time they certainly wouldnt be in this mess
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Exactly.

Mel Morris took ownership of Derby, his hometown club, that comes with a responsibility to the fans, the community, to local businesses. The happiness and mental health of your own community is YOUR responsibility in that role, the hundreds of small local businesses that you trade with are your responsibility, the hundreds of staff from your home town need to be protected and supported. You are chairman, but also custodian. Morris, has neglected this utterly. Firstly in the duplicitous way he behaved as chairman, trying to game the system, and cheat his way to the prem. Then gambling the clubs future in a failed attempt of glory, then doubling down and selling all the club assets in one last roll of the dice. He chose to kick problems with FFP, club finances and legal issues down the road, never ever taking the clubs fans into account or responsibility for his immoral and failed decisions.

Then, in one final kick in the balls of the fans, he decides he's had enough, that he can't be bothered anymore and despite sitting on circa 500mill, he pulled his funding, unilaterally from the club, in the heart of his own community, he burned down his own house out of spite. It's easily in his powers to resolve many of the issues that are of his making, but he has decided not to. That responsibility, that promise to the fans to take care of their club, meant absolutely nothing to this walking ego.

The current dilemma around the legal cases, or more accurately arbitration hearings, are completely in his capability to deal with, they are also HIS moral obligation to deal with them because it's his mess, his home town, his friends and family, his community, his club and its fans, not Gibsons, not Couhigs, not Parry's.

If this was all getting too much for Morris, he could have thrown the towel in a year ago and put the club up for sale, why did he choose instead the nuclear option, the unilateral decision of administration? Because the man is spineless, a coward, a pussy, and he would rather throw someone else like Gibson under the bus than meet his moral duty to the fans that love that club. Anyone that blames Gibson one iota goes down in my estimation, because he didn't create this, he is doing what he feels is best for the people he is responsible to, you, me and every Boro fan, to make sure our club is well managed in the rules, and never goes the route of Derby and Mel f*((n Morris.
 
BoroMart said:
hence 'not in my view'. It's either just a business venture or it comes with some responsibility of stewardship, I'm not sure what other options there are or what you're trying to say.
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I don't agree with your either/or theory. It's not as simple as that Ego plays a big role when it comes to anything in the spotlight, with no strings attached.

Traditional political rules don't exist. And that goes for the fans too.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I don't agree with your either/or theory. It's not as simple as that Ego plays a big role when it comes to anything in the spotlight, with no strings attached.
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Sorry, I'm still not clear does being the chairman of a football club come with any responsibilities to the fans?

I absolutely agree ego was a problem here with Morris, unfortunately for him and them his view of his own abilities far outweighed his actual ability
 
BoroMart said:
Sorry, I'm still not clear does being the chairman of a football club come with any responsibilities to the fans?

I absolutely agree ego was a problem here with Morris, unfortunately for him and them his view of his own abilities far outweighed his actual ability
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Of course it doesn't. It should but it doesn't. Morris, Gibson or anyone.

Look at the price being charged for the cup match coming up, or the prices asked at the Riverside.

There is no social responsibility.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Of course it doesn't. It should but it doesn't. Morris, Gibson or anyone.

Look at the price being charged for the cup match coming up, or the prices asked at the Riverside.

There is no social responsibility.
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in which case if there is no responsibility to the fans, it's just a business and Derby are not a sustainable business due to it's debts and should be liquidated. Derby fans should stop crying about it as well, it's not their club it's Mel's to do as he pleases including liquidate it
 
BoroMart said:
in which case if there is no responsibility to the fans, it's just a business and Derby are not a sustainable business due to it's debts and should be liquidated. Derby fans should stop crying about it as well, it's not their club it's Mel's to do as he pleases including liquidate it
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It's certainly not their club, as Boro isn't ours, when it comes to any decision making with regards to how it operates.

Fans feel attached to clubs but in reality the only way in which they could exercise any influence will not be supported by enough to make a difference.

Derby fans will have known that Morris wasn't playing by the rules but were unwilling to object due to the perceived success it brought. Now that he's been rumbled they're looking at others to blame.

See also the Boro 3 points deduction and the reaction from the Boro fans. The club failed to turn up for a match and were deducted points for it. The blame lies with others.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Derby fans will have known that Morris wasn't playing by the rules but were unwilling to object due to the perceived success it brought. Now that he's been rumbled they're looking at others to blame.

See also the Boro 3 points deduction and the reaction from the Boro fans. The club failed to turn up for a match and were deducted points for it. The blame lies with others.
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There is a bit of a false equivalence though here. Mel Morris tried to cheat the system. We didn't, we asked if we could, with legitimate reason (I mean look at games today with one covid case), were told we could, then when we did were told there might be consequences. We didn't set out to systematically cheat.
 
Thing is the idea that it is Middlesbrough who are preventing the takeover of Derby and hence dooming Derby is now entrenched in the minds of Derby fans. We are not going to change that. I still think Gibson should withdraw his claim now before Boros image is hit even more. As it is Gibson has gone from being the one everyone wants to being the destroyer of other teams.
 
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