Cameron Archer

Looks like he’s got that bit of explosiveness and unpredictability about his game. Looks also that he could be frustrating at times but certainly worth it if he puts the ball in the net. Liked what I seen when he came on, starts next game for me.
Isn't that what Watmore does ?
 
With Jones and Giles service could get 10 goals before the end of the season.
I’ve seen your comments on Jones starting and I do think he could come back in either the next game or Blackpool game, maybe time for a bit of rotation with Crooks and Forss to be the ones rested.

Wouldn’t mind seeing a front 4 of Jones, Akpom, McGree and Archer in 1 of the next 2 games tbh.
 
Would be quite interesting to see Jones and Giles play on the same side at one point too. Would be no worries about Jones helping out defensively because for me that’s one of his biggest strengths. Could be a shout to give a him a go on the left wing, new position and chance to shine and make an impact.
 
Would be quite interesting to see Jones and Giles play on the same side at one point too. Would be no worries about Jones helping out defensively because for me that’s one of his biggest strengths. Could be a shout to give a him a go on the left wing, new position and chance to shine and make an impact.
Quite like that idea. It's not as though playing on the wrong side would rob us of his crossing.

I think we've got it in our heads that we should attack the same way down either side, but given that we could be playing Forss or even Archer on the right there's no need not to approach it differently.
 
I don't think Crooks works as a striker.

He got the goals against Birmingham to ensure he kept his place in that position, but I don't think it's working particularly well overall, he lacks pace.

I'd sooner have an actual forward up front, Crooks can still score goals from the midfield when called upon.
 
I don't think Crooks works as a striker.

He got the goals against Birmingham to ensure he kept his place in that position, but I don't think it's working particularly well overall, he lacks pace.

I'd sooner have an actual forward up front, Crooks can still score goals from the midfield when called upon.
I agree with this. His first game in that position away at Blackburn I felt like we lost a lot of movement up front. I would have preferred to see Crooks on the right and Forss up front.

Although he has scored a few goals up there and Forss seems to be getting goals from the right, so maybe it does work.
 
I don't think Crooks works as a striker.

He got the goals against Birmingham to ensure he kept his place in that position, but I don't think it's working particularly well overall, he lacks pace.

I'd sooner have an actual forward up front, Crooks can still score goals from the midfield when called upon.
It’s funny as it wasn’t working first half with hom
Vs birmingham but he shut us up for a while and made a few look daft with a couple of goals 2nd half

We’ve got a few square pegs at the moment particularly in the front 4
 
Quite like that idea. It's not as though playing on the wrong side would rob us of his crossing.

I think we've got it in our heads that we should attack the same way down either side, but given that we could be playing Forss or even Archer on the right there's no need not to approach it differently.
We already do.

On the left McGree tucks in, in fact looks like has a fair amount of licence to roam, and Giles runs into the space.

On the right the wide player tends to hold his position more, although with Forss the expectation is for him get into the box more (a la Stuani).
 
We already do.

On the left McGree tucks in, in fact looks like has a fair amount of licence to roam, and Giles runs into the space.

On the right the wide player tends to hold his position more, although with Forss the expectation is for him get into the box more (a la Stuani).
Yeah, you're right - I think by "our" I probably meant the fans, hence the levels of disquiet when Jones can't deliver a cross like Beckham. There's lots of tinkering to be done, and I'd be loath for us to give up on Jones.

He's not going to swing in tempting crosses like Giles does, but he'd support Giles defensively much more than McGree does, although I thought McGree looked a bit more combative yesterday. It's weird that with basically the same squad (plus Archer) that Wilder had where we seemed desperately short of options, there's now umpteen ways we could approach games.
 
Yeah, you're right - I think by "our" I probably meant the fans, hence the levels of disquiet when Jones can't deliver a cross like Beckham. There's lots of tinkering to be done, and I'd be loath for us to give up on Jones.

He's not going to swing in tempting crosses like Giles does, but he'd support Giles defensively much more than McGree does, although I thought McGree looked a bit more combative yesterday. It's weird that with basically the same squad (plus Archer) that Wilder had where we seemed desperately short of options, there's now umpteen ways we could approach games.

Definitely wouldn't give up on Jones. I doubt Carrick is either, he has a lot of strengths that are hard to come by.

It's why Danks is here isn't it? 121 coaching, I'd be surprised if Jones wasn't spending a lot of time with him at the minute.

Easy to forget Jones hasn't been through an academy like most players, he's not had the same footballing education.

I don't think his ability or attitude is the issue, but he needs to improve his decision making and problem solving, particularly now teams know who he is and what he's about.
 
Would be quite interesting to see Jones and Giles play on the same side at one point too. Would be no worries about Jones helping out defensively because for me that’s one of his biggest strengths. Could be a shout to give a him a go on the left wing, new position and chance to shine and make an impact.
He played on the left for Warnock, with Spence on the right. Not for long, but he seemed effective there.
 
Jones and Giles seem to try crossing in a different way. Giles tends to put it in early and aims for an area rather than a specific player. Jones seems to try and get to the byline and then pass it to a player directly, rather than just clipping it into a dangerous area.

I remember how Downing under McClaren was turned into the Giles method (not saying Giles is as good as Downing) and it worked well for him. Get it in early seemed to be the way to do it.

Is that what Carrick wants Jones to do and hence why he is not playing as big a role at the moment?
 
It might be worth hanging fire untill the window closes.
Carrick and his staff have work ongoing and we may find a lot more fluidity in terms of formation and personnel.
He wont use a hammer to crack a nut, but the squad mentality is strong enough to quickly adapt to changes.
Its not going to be a "knee - jerk reaction" [quoted last media conference], but he will do whats best to improve the team and our performance.
This window is a step along the way to improve our quality and resillience.
Some players we have relied on, are receiving individual coaching and time to re-adjust.
When a player like Jones doesnt appear first on every team sheet, it means that Carrick and the Staff are honing his skills and approach. He`s not suddenly gone out of favour and on his way back down south.
Michael Carrick [quoted previously] said that some younger players need to re-adjust. At one conference he responded to a question about Jones, saying that he was a young player who hadnt grown up with the "how to cope" mentality in a completely professional environment.
That wasnt a negative, but acknowledgement of his starting point.
Lets see what happens.
 
Jones and Giles seem to try crossing in a different way. Giles tends to put it in early and aims for an area rather than a specific player. Jones seems to try and get to the byline and then pass it to a player directly, rather than just clipping it into a dangerous area.

I remember how Downing under McClaren was turned into the Giles method (not saying Giles is as good as Downing) and it worked well for him. Get it in early seemed to be the way to do it.

Is that what Carrick wants Jones to do and hence why he is not playing as big a role at the moment?
It depends on your strengths as a player to be fair. Giles / Downing had quality in their delivery but not necessarily rapid top end pace. Beckham was another player like that, much higher standard, that goes without saying.

Jones would be more similar to a player like Sterling (again not saying as good as) where his strength is speed and ability to go past a man rather than the quality of delivery

Jones like Sterling is better suited to try and get to the by line and pull back
 
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