Come on Lewis

BoroMart said:
wasn't any form of material punishment unfortunately as he was 16 seconds ahead of Bottas. F1 really has to get it's penalty system to be more effective
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I agree, it seems pointless. The time penalty is a weird punishment, Max got a couple yesterday and it made no difference. Two f2 drivers got 5s paneltis on sat and because the race finished under the safety car, both of them went form podium places to being out of the points completely. It's a punishment that doesn't directly affect drivers

I worry to, about what it gives Max carte blanche to do at Abu Dhabi.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
He's going to do a Senna -Prost/Schumacher-Hill next race isn't he?
Both don't finish and Verstappen wins the title.
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That's my fear - by giving him a 10 second penalty he will feel as though he can get away with anything. Just imagine that contact had taken Lewis out of the race would it still have been just a 10 second penalty, even though the contact seemed intentional? Verstappen is not only a bit nuts, he's dangerous too and his behaviour should have been curtailed a long time ago.

If he is allowed to continue unabated my sad prediction is that in the next few years he'll either seriously hurt someone or even kill someone.
 
SmallTown said:
I agree, it seems pointless. The time penalty is a weird punishment, Max got a couple yesterday and it made no difference. Two f2 drivers got 5s paneltis on sat and because the race finished under the safety car, both of them went form podium places to being out of the points completely. It's a punishment that doesn't directly affect drivers

I worry to, about what it gives Max carte blanche to do at Abu Dhabi.
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I think it is fair to say any penalties decided upon after the race are applied at the next race, or you are forced take them as a stop go penalty in the actual race after they have been assessed.

I really think the sport needs a new 'race director' to look after safety, barriers and track limits etc. and also a totally separate 'driving stands director' who is effectively the focal point for the stewards who have access to the data from telemetry in a much quicker process than currently available.

Black and white flags and black flags should be given out more freely than they are. The penalty points system doesn't really seem fit for purpose either as it doesn't seem to impact anything.

We have had drivers deliberately barge into other cars, and very aggressive drivers go above beyond what is deemed safe and reasonable and not really being punished in anyway that has effected them.

If they knew if they got say two 'yellow card' type infringements they would miss the next race, they'd soon knock it off. Max did three or four in that race, was 'asked' to hand back positions twice after gaining and unfair advantage and also punished with two penalties and still comfortably finished 2nd, after being given the green light to push Hamilton (or anyone he's battling with) off the track with the ludicrous decision in Brazil.

Where is his motivation to stop driving like an ass?
 
WeeGord said:
That's my fear - by giving him a 10 second penalty he will feel as though he can get away with anything. Just imagine that contact had taken Lewis out of the race would it still have been just a 10 second penalty, even though the contact seemed intentional? Verstappen is not only a bit nuts, he's dangerous too and his behaviour should have been curtailed a long time ago.

If he is allowed to continue unabated my sad prediction is that in the next few years he'll either seriously hurt someone or even kill someone.
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I've felt that for a while.

It's interesting that Lewis has accumulated 12 penalty points on his F1 license in 287 races, Max has 25 points in just 140 races. I.e. Max is 4 times as reckless. There needs to be a shake up of F1 safety and governance.

His behaviour this weekend was nothing short of desperate, dangerous and disgraceful. He brought the sport into disrepute for me and many people and he hasn't been materially punished.
 
Caesium137 said:
I think if he did and there was any shadow of a doubt about him doing it deliberately he'd get a points deduction.
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I don't think he will. It hasn't heppened in the past. They should come out and state: if you're found to deliberately take another driver out, you lose 27 points (so they can't take the other driver out and go on to win themselves with fastest lap and win the WDC)
 
SmallTown said:
Yeah, it's looking nailed on now. Bottas has to out qualify him basically and act as a human shield
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You can guarantee that if Verstappen qualifies behind Lewis, he will look to rear end him at the end of the start/finish straight. Lewis has to get on the front, get Bottas second and then get a good clean start
 
SmallTown said:
I don't think he will. It hasn't heppened in the past. They should come out and state: if you're found to deliberately take another driver out, you lose 27 points (so they can't take the other driver out and go on to win themselves with fastest lap and win the WDC)
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Not exactly, but they did 'throw the book' at Schumacher pretty much. But I don't think anyone involved in the running of the sport has the appetite for that sort of punishment in the social media age.

"After his badly-executed attempt to take Jacques Villeneuve out of the 1997 title decider at Jerez, the FIA World Motorsport Council met to discuss Michael Schumacher’ punishment. On this day in 1997, it was revealed that he was to be stripped of second place in the championship, and made to participate in a road safety campaign the following year. However, all of his individual race results stood.

The council discussed whether he should be banned for the 1998 season too but, given that Schumacher’s actions weren’t pre-meditated, opted against it. Schumacher accepted the decision and remains the only driver to be disqualified from the drivers’ world championship. It meant that Heinz-Harald Frentzen was moved up to second overall and David Coulthard to third."
 
Caesium137 said:
Not exactly, but they did 'throw the book' at Schumacher pretty much. But I don't think anyone involved in the running of the sport has the appetite for that sort of punishment in the social media age.

"After his badly-executed attempt to take Jacques Villeneuve out of the 1997 title decider at Jerez, the FIA World Motorsport Council met to discuss Michael Schumacher’ punishment. On this day in 1997, it was revealed that he was to be stripped of second place in the championship, and made to participate in a road safety campaign the following year. However, all of his individual race results stood.

The council discussed whether he should be banned for the 1998 season too but, given that Schumacher’s actions weren’t pre-meditated, opted against it. Schumacher accepted the decision and remains the only driver to be disqualified from the drivers’ world championship. It meant that Heinz-Harald Frentzen was moved up to second overall and David Coulthard to third."
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I had completely forgotten about that. Yeah that could be a likely outcome
 
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