dijksteel v mcnair

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TheWolfman

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I was reading the OneBoro transfer thread yesterday and the discussion was if nyambe comes in, will we sell dijksteel or mcnair. Alot of posters seemed to rate mcnair over dijksteel.

I find it a bit mad, i think dijksteel is a far better player. Better at marking, pace, recovery, one on one defending, over loading and getting forward.

I dont rate paddy as a defender although he has been playing on the wrong side; his positioning and marking are not great.

One thing i think dijksteel needs to improve on is how quick he starts games... sometimes doesnt switch on quick enough and prone to mistakes in the first 5 mins of matches.

ideally we keep them both although this nyambe signing would be odd having 3 rcbs
 
Nyambe is more of a RB than a RCB - Even though we don't play with the RB position, I'm assuming he's coming in as backup/rotation with Jones...

2 players for every position would be ideal. McNair/Dijksteel RCB, Jones/Nyambe RWB.
 
TheWolfman said:
I was reading the OneBoro transfer thread yesterday and the discussion was if nyambe comes in, will we sell dijksteel or mcnair. Alot of posters seemed to rate mcnair over dijksteel.

I find it a bit mad, i think dijksteel is a far better player. Better at marking, pace, recovery, one on one defending, over loading and getting forward.

I dont rate paddy as a defender although he has been playing on the wrong side; his positioning and marking are not great.

One thing i think dijksteel needs to improve on is how quick he starts games... sometimes doesnt switch on quick enough and prone to mistakes in the first 5 mins of matches.

ideally we keep them both although this nyambe signing would be odd having 3 rcbs
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Wouldn't make sense to take Paddy out of LCB (apparent square peg round hole), to move him to RCB (round peg round hole), if you're then going to sell Paddy or Dijksteele, and then have the back up as a right back (Square peg round hole), and this then also takes an option away from LCB, no peg round hole.

I think Dijksteele has looked better than McNair, but it could be because he's been playing in his correct position, and had he been put in Paddy's place he would have looked much worse, and McNair would have been better.

I'd say it's a close one, with them both competing for their correct position, but I'm also no against McNair being first choice there, and Dijksteele backing up him and then also Jones to a lesser degree.

I just don't see where a RB comes into this (which Nyambe is), unless we change formation. Or unless he's been played out of position by Blackburn for 6 years?
 
Ash88 said:
Nyambe is more of a RB than a RCB - Even though we don't play with the RB position, I'm assuming he's coming in as backup/rotation with Jones...

2 players for every position would be ideal. McNair/Dijksteel RCB, Jones/Nyambe RWB.
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He's never scored a goal in 6 years, and only got 7 assists in that time, doesn't seem anything like as attacking as Jones, which is what we're going to need.

I've not seen him play much mind, but apparently is a good player, and maybe further up it would suit him better, but it seems a bit strange. Can't see a 24 year old coming as a RB, to a team with no RB, as how does he think he would get in the side? Also a free agent, so would have had some options.

I think I'd have been happy enough with Dijksteele covering for Jones if needed, but wouldn't want him there all year if Jones got injured.
 
Nyambe seems too big of a player to be happy to just sit in a rotation role, thats why i thought Tommy Smith was ideal because i think he would have been happy to be Jones' backup but Nyambe is gonna want to play, will want more wages and expect a bit more than Smith does. I think it could spell the end for McNair or Dijksteel, unless Nyambe is happy with being a squad player.
 
Andy_W said:
He's never scored a goal in 6 years, and only got 7 assists in that time, doesn't seem anything like as attacking as Jones, which is what we're going to need.

I've not seen him play much mind, but apparently is a good player, and maybe further up it would suit him better, but it seems a bit strange. Can't see a 24 year old coming as a RB, to a team with no RB, as how does he think he would get in the side? Also a free agent, so would have had some options.

I think I'd have been happy enough with Dijksteele covering for Jones if needed, but wouldn't want him there all year if Jones got injured.
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The same could have been said for Neil Taylor. He's played as a LB throughout his career, but he came to Boro to cover LWB.
Taylor has also never scored a goal in more than 6 years? and probably has single figure assists too? (haven't checked). I thought he "did the job asked of him" while he was here last season.

In reality nobody knows Wilders plans. Lenihan came to Boro with "ambitions of the premier league", so it's obviously what Wilder expects is coming in the next 1-2 seasons.
Nyambe might be coming in to cover RWB this year, but our positional play might differ if we're promoted to the premier league, and we might go to a 4-4-2.
 
Andy_W said:
He's never scored a goal in 6 years, and only got 7 assists in that time, doesn't seem anything like as attacking as Jones, which is what we're going to need.

I've not seen him play much mind, but apparently is a good player, and maybe further up it would suit him better, but it seems a bit strange. Can't see a 24 year old coming as a RB, to a team with no RB, as how does he think he would get in the side? Also a free agent, so would have had some options.

I think I'd have been happy enough with Dijksteele covering for Jones if needed, but wouldn't want him there all year if Jones got injured.
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Also, Jones was our main outlet last season, which is why Taylor was more suited as a defensive minded LWB. Wilder seemed to like the balance there.

Could we be seeing Bola (more defensive) and Jones (attacking), switched with Giles (attacking) and Nyambe (more defensive)... Giles and Jones together with two overlapping CBs too could be too much attack.
 
Ash88 said:
The same could have been said for Neil Taylor. He's played as a LB throughout his career, but he came to Boro to cover LWB.
Taylor has also never scored a goal in more than 6 years? and probably has single figure assists too? (haven't checked). I thought he "did the job asked of him" while he was here last season.

In reality nobody knows Wilders plans. Lenihan came to Boro with "ambitions of the premier league", so it's obviously what Wilder expects is coming in the next 1-2 seasons.
Nyambe might be coming in to cover RWB this year, but our positional play might differ if we're promoted to the premier league, and we might go to a 4-4-2.
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Taylor was ok I thought we looked better with him in the side than Bola (which I was surprised at), the problem was though it made us too predictable, and once teams caught on we were easy to read.

He did the job asked of him which was effectively to play as a left back when we had the ball, allowing the defence to shuffle over to give Jones more freedom. That's all well and good for where we were at last year, but ultimately the limit of playing football like that is outside of the playoffs. We could have scraped play offs if we had Wilder all year of course, but equally we could also have just got found out sooner, and ended the season worse.

Bola at RWB was more attacking than Taylor, but nowhere near the level of Jones which made us easy to read again.

Will be very different this year, having Giles, as it's a genuine attacking option both sides, much harder to set a structure against. All we need now is to give them a target or two to aim at.

If Nyambe came in I expect it would be when Jones comes off, and we rotate in the opposite direction as last year, i.e Nyambe doing the Taylor role on the opposite side, allowing Giles the LW freedom which we gave to Jones on the RW.
 
Ash88 said:
Also, Jones was our main outlet last season, which is why Taylor was more suited as a defensive minded LWB. Wilder seemed to like the balance there.

Could we be seeing Bola (more defensive) and Jones (attacking), switched with Giles (attacking) and Nyambe (more defensive)... Giles and Jones together with two overlapping CBs too could be too much attack.
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You wrote that as I was typing but yeah I see it similar to that, but think we would start most games with Jones and Giles going full pelt attack, unless maybe against the best teams away. I'd expect the defenders or 2/3 to hold a bit more, and just rotate who pushes forwards and who doesn't depending on where the ball is.

It'll be quite fluid I think, which is the best way to be in modern football and the higher fitness/ adaptability allows it.
 
Dijksteel seemed more suited to the overlapping role than mcnair last year but that could have been because he had a genuine type of wing back on his side and he was on his right foot. He had the odd trick also that got him into good positions. He also bailed us out a few times with his pace. I think he will get better in the role too. It is probably unfair to judge Paddy as he can have a good delivery but when you have to cut inside it can take some of those options away. If we had to lose one I would probably stick with Dijksteel as I think he could get better.
 
McNair for me. his crossing is better, he is more likely to arrive in the box and grab a goal, his all-round attacking play is much better than Dijksteel - who may be a better defender and we may want to utilise him in certain games.
Having said all that, they'll both get plenty of opportunities, McNair played far too many games last season.
 
It's a good problem to have the McNair/ Dijksteele thing, almost every team would happily have either as a starter, we seemingly have a choice of both or either.
 
I can't see the love for dijksteel hes had some very poor games last season I remember he had a torrid time at old Trafford where he's body shape was all wrong and he didn't get goal side time after time when marking another day and we could have been slaughtered. I get the triangles with Jones and crooks are fantastic but as an out and out defender he is poor. He can get away with mistakes against the poorer teams in the championship with his pace but to me he won't ever be a top championship defender
 
I'd prefer to see mcnair on the right. He's got a good burst of pace into the box and he's the best crosser of the ball at the club. We lose that when he's played LCB.
 
Glover_elbow said:
I can't see the love for dijksteel hes had some very poor games last season I remember he had a torrid time at old Trafford where he's body shape was all wrong and he didn't get goal side time after time when marking another day and we could have been slaughtered. I get the triangles with Jones and crooks are fantastic but as an out and out defender he is poor. He can get away with mistakes against the poorer teams in the championship with his pace but to me he won't ever be a top championship defender
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