Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

Artie Fufkin said:
Took about 5 minutes, and I didn't need any paperwork

Not sure what you were signing up to, but the app doesn't need copies of passport etc
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They requested passport and driving licence from me. Took about three hours for the whole process and even then I ended up with limited access so gave up.
 
bear66 said:
They requested passport and driving licence from me. Took about three hours for the whole process and even then I ended up with limited access so gave up.
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It's a shame you've had a rubbish experience with the app. For reasons I cant explain mine was a much smoother process, I dont know why there is such a difference
 
Alvez_48 said:
There really is an authoritarian streak running through some of you lot.
Aslong as it's in the name of health and safety right?
Boomers really are a toxic influence on the world.
Plus this has been done to death already on another thread, smh.
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This is a genuine question rather than a flippant one but I wonder if this is a reflection of corporal punishment they were likely subjected to? Evidence shows that kind of experience stays with a person
 
Laughing said:
How would the advocates of this feel if a law was passed saying you couldn't hug your grandchildren, children, nephews and nieces until you had all been vaccinated? It is after all for the greater good.

It's a load of nonsense. Those of you who think unvaccinated people should have less freedoms than vaccinated are in an 8% minority.

Please take a moment to consider what you are saying in a wider context.

Dna databases, monitoring your movements and Id cards, banning public protests can all be framed for the greater good. They are not.

You are sleepwalking into a country controlled by Johnson, where the government have absolute control of your decisions.

It's for the greater good though, right.
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That's what has happened for the majority of grandparents. We were told not to meet our children and grandchildren, we've now had the vaccine but we're still not supposed to until tomorrow.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's what has happened for the majority of grandparents. We were told not to meet our children and grandchildren, we've now had the vaccine but we're still not supposed to until tomorrow.
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CtC that's not what happened though. We were all in the same boat. Imagine a situation where I can meet my daughters but you can't. That is what covid passports do. They engender a screw you I am alright attitude. It's divisive and unhealthy.

Again, think about what you are suggesting in its wider context.
 
Emmersons_BrazillianDong said:
This is a genuine question rather than a flippant one but I wonder if this is a reflection of corporal punishment they were likely subjected to? Evidence shows that kind of experience stays with a person
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Not sure mate it's a generalisation of course my mum is a right hippie for instance.

I think it's mainly the blokes 50-70.. They've bought their little castles paid feck all in 1985 and just towed up the line since thinking they have earned all they've got and the millennials just aren't doing the same because they've bought iPhones instead. This is their first brush with any kind of danger and 12 months later here they are suggesting everyone should have mandatory vaccination to enter the pub. 😂
 
I’m not paranoid enough to think it’s all part off some master plan to control us I genuinely believe it is for the greater good.

if you look at the extremes there is no vaccine passport through to a vaccine passport for living our everyday lives. I’m somewhere in the middle of this.
For example we have always needed certain vaccines to travel to certain countries, we generally don’t call foul over that and accept it is for the greater good and if we don’t like it we don’t / can’t go to those countries.
I see Spain have trialled a similar thing for music concerts and Israel have their green pass.
I think cruise ship holidays are also another good one where this should be implemented. I really don’t see it as an instrument of control but rather protection.
We will have to get used to these changes because like it or not I think they are coming and I believe justified in certain circumstances. It’s not just our country but others so it’s not something thing that is part of our gvts master plan to control us. It’s just common sense.

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Laughing said:
CtC that's not what happened though. We were all in the same boat. Imagine a situation where I can meet my daughters but you can't. That is what covid passports do. They engender a screw you I am alright attitude. It's divisive and unhealthy.

Again, think about what you are suggesting in its wider context.
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What am I suggesting?

My only comment on this thread was that Covid passports shouldn't be used until everybody was offered them.

Would you be happy for people to smoke in restaurants, pubs, offices and shops?
 
Laughing said:
CtC that's not what happened though. We were all in the same boat. Imagine a situation where I can meet my daughters but you can't. That is what covid passports do. They engender a screw you I am alright attitude. It's divisive and unhealthy.

Again, think about what you are suggesting in its wider context.
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Nobody is saying they are in favour of passports for seeing family, only for hospitality settings to allow them to open up and try to keep people in jobs before they go bust

You have to argue your case on the debate being had, not one that isn't, unless of course you are suggesting you only ever meet family members in hospitality settings, but I dont think you are, so your notion that some people can meet family and others are excluded from doing so based solely on a covid passport doesn't pass muster
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Vaccination passports would only be interim measures not permanent fixtures.
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Nope, sorry, do not believe that.
Especially if comes out of any government orifice.
3 weeks to protect the NHS.
We will beat it in 12 weeks.
Save Xmas to stop another lockdown.
Kids are going back to school in January.

Lies after lies after lies.
 
Am wondering what role insurers might play in vaccine passports?
Am thinking in terms of different public events or businesses.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
Nobody is saying they are in favour of passports for seeing family, only for hospitality settings to allow them to open up and try to keep people in jobs before they go bust

You have to argue your case on the debate being had, not one that isn't, unless of course you are suggesting you only ever meet family members in hospitality settings, but I dont think you are, so your notion that some people can meet family and others are excluded from doing so based solely on a covid passport doesn't pass muster
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They'll be opening up anyway, how would adding an additional layer benefit the businesses?

There were enough issues trying to collect people's name and phone numbers for track and trace, pubs lost custom because people were told not to sit with their mates.
If you're then forced to turn away a sizeable portion of customers who haven't been vaccinated yet it's just going to make things even more difficult.

It might make sense with concerts and festivals as they're one off events, and you've got to pay to go beforehand anyway, pubs don't run on the same business model at all.
 
Some people on here seem to think a vaccine is how the government will excert some kind of control, but probably sign up to the 'free market' system that the money men already control them by!
 
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TeaCider said:
They'll be opening up anyway, how would adding an additional layer benefit the businesses?

There were enough issues trying to collect people's name and phone numbers for track and trace, pubs lost custom because people were told not to sit with their mates.
If you're then forced to turn away a sizeable portion of customers who haven't been vaccinated yet it's just going to make things even more difficult.
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Being allowd to operate at 100% instead of 50% with social distancing.
 
bear66 said:
Being allowd to operate at 100% instead of 50% with social distancing.
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That's not going to be how it pans out in practice though, it would be already struggling businesses turning away custom all to allow a few customers to sit together.
Asking people for their number was putting off plenty, asking for proof of vaccination is going to put off plenty more, and that's not even accounting for the fact that most people that haven't had the vaccine just haven't been offered it yet.

It would either be introduced when a significant proportion of the population haven't been vaccinated yet and most younger customers have to be turned away, or it's introduced when so much of the population is vaccinated that it's a needless impediment to introduce.
 
TeaCider said:
That's not going to be how it pans out in practice though, it would be already struggling businesses turning away custom all to allow a few customers to sit together.
Asking people for their number was putting off plenty, asking for proof of vaccination is going to put off plenty more, and that's not even accounting for the fact that most people that haven't had the vaccine just haven't been offered it yet.

It would either be introduced when a significant proportion of the population haven't been vaccinated yet and most younger customers have to be turned away, or it's introduced when so much of the population is vaccinated that it's a needless impediment to introduce.
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I'm not convinced it'll work but it's either vaccine OR test that's been muted and there has been one group of nightclubs owner who's for it. Also Wetherspoons weighing up pros and cons.
 
I am astounded that anyone would be in support of a COVID passport. A healthy 18 year old is not likely to be vaccinated for months and months.
 
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