Does anybody get the Southgate criticism…

[Laughing]

Which poster said 'only 1 international manager every 2 years has the knack, bottle and knowhow.'?

It was suggested. If southgate lacks those qualities, and the evidence given, is that he failed to win the euros and world cup, by extension, the same can be levelled at, almost, all managers

 

[Marvanelli]

It was suggested. If southgate lacks those qualities, and the evidence given, is that he failed to win the euros and world cup, by extension, the same can be levelled at, almost, all managers

Ah, it was suggested. Got you.

Has Southgate never managed elsewhere before? Only as the England international manager? Never at lower level or club level? Otherwise, the evidence given is wider than failing to win the euros and world cup?....not that, that's the main objective to suggest he has the knack, bottle and knowhow, of course.

 

[Laughing]

Ah, it was suggested. Got you.

Has Southgate never managed elsewhere before? Only as the England international manager? Never at lower level or club level? Otherwise, the evidence given is wider than failing to win the euros and world cup?....not that, that's the main objective to suggest he has the knack, bottle and knowhow, of course.

Ultimately, winning a tournament, or indeed not, cannot be used, alone to gauge a managers ability.

It would be much more accurate to gauge historically how a manager performs against his historical peers. Whilst we have a good squad today, it is very easy to argue that in the past the squad has been much better, at least on a 1-1 basis.

Southgate has exceeded expectations, that is why he is still in post. Being critical of him is fine, but suggesting Italy were anything other than a strong side going in to the last euro's smells strongly of a bias to suite an agenda.

Your harking back to southgates time with boro is plain silly. One day he was a player, albeit a captain, by lunchtime he was a manager without the relevant badging. Nice one! That alone makes me inclined to ignore your opinionj.

 

[Marvanelli]

Ultimately, winning a tournament, or indeed not, cannot be used, alone to gauge a managers ability.

No one said otherwise?

It would be much more accurate to gauge historically how a manager performs against his historical peers. Whilst we have a good squad today, it is very easy to argue that in the past the squad has been much better, at least on a 1-1 basis.

Maybe so. We've certainly had better defenders/defences in the past, whilst actually looking ok defensively under GS....Don't think anyone can argue with that.

Attacking wise, there could be an argument to suggest we haven't had better. Especially with the fact Kane has just broke the goal scoring record, and with the youngsters we have coming through.

Southgate has exceeded expectations, that is why he is still in post.

He has based upon what we've achieved in the recent past, post 1966 especially. Not sure anyone can argue with that?

but suggesting Italy were anything other than a strong side going in to the last euro's smells strongly of a bias to suite an agenda

I've said countless times, this was an Italy team who failed to qualify for back to back World Cups. I ain't having them down as a 'strong side'. No 'strong' sides fail to qualify for back to back World Cups, when the qualification process is heavily favoured towards 'strong sides'.
I'm not repeating myself again.

France in the recent World Cup on the other hand were a very strong side.

Interesting that you opposed the opinion of him not having 'the knack, bottle or knowhow in the big big moments'. I'm guessing you think the opposite on that basis?

If so, care to explain why you think Gareth actually has the 'knack, bottle or knowhow in big big moments' when he's failed in the biggest moments so far in his managerial career?

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

But he didn't retain the ball against Italy, he was in fact the worst player on the pitch for England from that point of view. I like him, but others are much more of a threat.

That's just not true at all. He's the go-to Southgate scapegoat to bring off. Grealish wasn't getting the ball in the 2nd half because the rest of them were utter shyte. Southgate should've been tanking htem ; stating ; get the ball to Grealish. He just does not lose the ball. (or rarely loses it shall we say)

 

[wilkos_perm]

That's just not true at all. He's the go-to Southgate scapegoat to bring off. Grealish wasn't getting the ball in the 2nd half because the rest of them were utter shyte. Southgate should've been tanking htem ; stating ; get the ball to Grealish. He just does not lose the ball. (or rarely loses it shall we say)

But it was true. I wasn't watching it with any prejudice, i want anyone to do well, it's just what happened. He was caught on the back foot on a couple of times waiting for the ball to come to him and got it nipped away by Italy, and he played as couple of poor balls back into Shaw also. I just don't see him retaining a spot, not because Southgate has anything against him, just because others offer more threat.

 

[BoroMart]

Your harking back to southgates time with boro is plain silly. One day he was a player, albeit a captain, by lunchtime he was a manager without the relevant badging. Nice one! That alone makes me inclined to ignore your opinionj.

not only that, he hadn't even had a the foundational experience of coaching youth players. I can't think of any manager who didn't have at least 2 years coaching at some level. Bryan Robson had been coaching youths at Man Utd before he came to us, Southgate had nothing. I n hindsight he should have been offered a player coach role supporting an experienced manager. Then moved into management 2 years later.

 

[Laughing]

No one said otherwise?


Maybe so. We've certainly had better defenders/defences in the past, whilst actually looking ok defensively under GS....Don't think anyone can argue with that.

Attacking wise, there could be an argument to suggest we haven't had better. Especially with the fact Kane has just broke the goal scoring record, and with the youngsters we have coming through.


He has based upon what we've achieved in the recent past, post 1966 especially. Not sure anyone can argue with that?


I've said countless times, this was an Italy team who failed to qualify for back to back World Cups. I ain't having them down as a 'strong side'. No 'strong' sides fail to qualify for back to back World Cups, when the qualification process is heavily favoured towards 'strong sides'.
I'm not repeating myself again.

France in the recent World Cup on the other hand were a very strong side.

Interesting that you opposed the opinion of him not having 'the knack, bottle or knowhow in the big big moments'. I'm guessing you think the opposite on that basis?

If so, care to explain why you think Gareth actually has the 'knack, bottle or knowhow in big big moments' when he's failed in the biggest moments so far in his managerial career?

The quarter finals and semi finals don't count as big moments?

Fair enough if you think that, but again you demonstrate that you have an agenda by selecting only the big Big moments that suit your argument.