Gibson's appointments

Paulh10

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Robson very ambitious, Venables no brainer ,mcclaren good coach worth a try, Southgate bad choice and timing needed to get his badges and try his hand in coaching first .one for the future, Strachan just as Southgate was finding his feet bad move, Mowbray great move but struggling on shoe string good manager with the right backing,Karanka exciting choice just what we needed but struggled in the prem, Agnew bad choice never a manager,Monk 50/50 to start but how we sanctioned some of his moves bad decisions cost us,Tony sensible appointment, Woodgate again should have learned from Southgat but hard for him to thrive with more money would have done ok,Neil sensible again bailed us out ,Wilder struggled to thrive with bad decisions from a recruitment level again resulted in him making desperate choices.Now for the merry-go-round to continue.We need to learn from mistakes and stop with the chopping and changing.
 
I think there is a reasonable argument for all his appointments, apart from Woodgate, which I was never convinced about from the off.

Robson was a masterstroke and led to a period none of us could dream about and elevated the club to a while new level.

SMAC is the most successful manager in our history.

Southgate was partially driven by cost, but he retained our PL status for two seasons before it unravelled. He was raw, but he's gone on to show he's a very capable manager.

WGS had the CV and on paper was the experience that was lacking with Southgate, but his transfers were a disaster.

Mogga was a good appointment, challenged with no budget really and paved the way for Karanka, with a handful of brilliant signings.

Karanka got us to the PL.

Monk's CV was great, but it was off the field issues that saw him sacked.

Pulis was a safe choice with promotions behind him.

Woodate was the wrong choice, for a number of reasons. I feel sorry for him because i think he was set up to fail.

Warnock got us out of a Woodgate shaped hole.

Wilder was a brilliant appointment, but we know why that didn't work.

So, all together, I think the appointments have been fine in themselves almost to a man, but the glaring issue is the chopping and changing of styles and the huge turnover of players that inevitably followed.
 
A manager is successful if he moves the club forward. But you have to caveat that with the assets at their disposal.

Robson 9/10 - improved the club massively, changed the whole culture of Boro
SMAC 9/10 - Turned optimism into a trophy and european football
Southgate 6/10 - Thrown a job that was simply far too difficult even for an experienced manager. Kept us up for 2 years before it fell apart
Strachan 2/10 - Worst manager in my lifetime
Mogga 6/10 - handed a crap squad, no money, turned it around, then flitered it away again returning back to where it started
Karanka 9/10 - Brilliant appointment, really shook the malaise off the club for a couple of years
Monk 4/10 - couldnt buy a win agsainst any of the top teams but beat the poor ones. Should have done far better with the money he was given to spend
Pulis 6/10 - took on players that didn't suit him, added a couple that did reached the play offs, before it strated to go sour
Woodate 2/10 - never looked up to the job
Warnock 6.5/10 - kept us out of trouble, flirted with success, but it was always a bit beyond him and the direction at the end was back to lower-mid medioocrity
Wilder 6/10 - took over lower mid mediocrity, turned it into a barnstorming side, before seeing it all fall apart back to a lower half team.

11 manager. Robson, SMac and Karanka were successes. Southgate, Mogga, Wilder, Warnock, Pulis all had bits of success bit fell apart at the end. Strachan, Monk, Woodgate all unmitigated disasters.

It's a mixed bag. Next one needs to be right.
 
You mean the ones that liked to play football with a ball on the ground.

not the sorry excuse of anti ball rugby that he laughingly calls football.

Sorry but I hated the bloke.
He is still, bar Karanka, the only manager that's got anywhere near taking us back up. Yes it was dull as dishwater, but it was more successful. That Pulis side would steamroll through the Boro team we've seen in the last month.
 
The only ones in my mind which he's "got wrong" were Monk (for non-footballing reasons) and Woodgate (very much for footballing ones).

There's a case to be answered for every other appointment. Pulis may not be the most popular manager but it came very close to working. Pragmatism works in football, results based industry etc.
 
A manager is successful if he moves the club forward. But you have to caveat that with the assets at their disposal.

Robson 9/10 - improved the club massively, changed the whole culture of Boro
SMAC 9/10 - Turned optimism into a trophy and european football
Southgate 6/10 - Thrown a job that was simply far too difficult even for an experienced manager. Kept us up for 2 years before it fell apart
Strachan 2/10 - Worst manager in my lifetime
Mogga 6/10 - handed a crap squad, no money, turned it around, then flitered it away again returning back to where it started
Karanka 9/10 - Brilliant appointment, really shook the malaise off the club for a couple of years
Monk 4/10 - couldnt buy a win agsainst any of the top teams but beat the poor ones. Should have done far better with the money he was given to spend
Pulis 6/10 - took on players that didn't suit him, added a couple that did reached the play offs, before it strated to go sour
Woodate 2/10 - never looked up to the job
Warnock 6.5/10 - kept us out of trouble, flirted with success, but it was always a bit beyond him and the direction at the end was back to lower-mid medioocrity
Wilder 6/10 - took over lower mid mediocrity, turned it into a barnstorming side, before seeing it all fall apart back to a lower half team.

11 manager. Robson, SMac and Karanka were successes. Southgate, Mogga, Wilder, Warnock, Pulis all had bits of success bit fell apart at the end. Strachan, Monk, Woodgate all unmitigated disasters.

It's a mixed bag. Next one needs to be right.
A fair assessment but I'd give an extra half point or so to Warnock as the squad were in real disarray when he took over.
 
Wilder was Gibson’s last appointment. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that Scott has the keys to the car and it is HIS record by which Gibson should be judged on his appointments (he’s less than 12 months in and the imminent managerial appointment will be his first). It is Scott who should be judged on all managerial appointments from here.
 
I would argue that the only good appointments he has made have been Robson, McClaren, Mowbray & Karanka.

How many left the club in a better place than where they found them? You could argue Warnock but we were on our way back to where he found us when he left.

As has been said many times, the biggest issue has been jumping from one managerial philosophy to another, and that goes all the way back to when McClaren left. McClaren played pragmatic percentage football, Southgate wanted to play open expansive football, "Arsenal lite". Strachan went back to pragmatic football, while Mowbray has always played good football, but Karanka went back to pragmatism. Monk wanted us to play like Barcelona, centre halves splitting with the holding midfielder dropping between them to build up from the back. Then we appointed Tony Pulis. Then Woodgate and the "Golden Thread" and playing on the ground again. Then Warnock wanting to play like Pulis. Then Wilder.

How is any of this sustainable? This is a massive reason we are in the mess we are, and why the next appointment is possibly the most important one Gibson has made. If he gets this wrong we could easily find ourselves in League 1 next season.
 
Wilder was Gibson’s last appointment. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that Scott has the keys to the car and it is HIS record by which Gibson should be judged on his appointments (he’s less than 12 months in and the imminent managerial appointment will be his first). It is Scott who should be judged on all managerial appointments from here.
Absolutely no chance Gibson will not continue to sign off every major decision that is made
 
Wilder was Gibson’s last appointment. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that Scott has the keys to the car and it is HIS record by which Gibson should be judged on his appointments (he’s less than 12 months in and the imminent managerial appointment will be his first). It is Scott who should be judged on all managerial appointments from here.
Massive assumptions here. Gibbo still very much in charge. Didn’t he block the move for Gayle after he had been identified as the goal scorer needed? Credit where it is due. He called this one right!
 
Massive assumptions here. Gibbo still very much in charge. Didn’t he block the move for Gayle after he had been identified as the goal scorer needed? Credit where it is due. He called this one right!
Could also be an assumption that it was Gibson, and not someone else in the club, or indeed a collective of individuals shooting down a move that Wilder wanted (that may well have led to part of the fallout). The article about it was very vague, and its all just assumptions for us lot.
 
Massive assumptions here. Gibbo still very much in charge. Didn’t he block the move for Gayle after he had been identified as the goal scorer needed? Credit where it is due. He called this one right!
He gets most of the big calls right!

Strachan was a nightmare, Monk didn’t turn out well. I think Wilder has been nipped in the bud just at the right time! I’d rather have the hope of Hoppe than the reality of Gayle tbh
 
He gets most of the big calls right!

Strachan was a nightmare, Monk didn’t turn out well. I think Wilder has been nipped in the bud just at the right time! I’d rather have the hope of Hoppe than the reality of Gayle tbh
No he doesn't get the big calls right.
Not remotely.

Hiring Southgate was ridiculous. He should have gone in January 09 before relegation.
Strachan was a complete disaster.
Mowbray managed through a financial wasteland, but then was taking us down.
Karanka was a success while he was backed to promotion and then painfully unsupported in the PL investment free summer window.
Agnew's appointment was a joke.
Monk was then a disaster, given free reign, spending £50m on utter rubbish that the club have lost £38m on, before wages.
pulis then spent another £20m on Flint, Saville and McNair, whilst borrowing rubbish and selling quality.
Woodgate was a disaster, but had no chance.
Warnock saved us from the drop, but should have gone after his first full season.
Wilder started brilliantly but was so obviously at odds with the Mickey Mouse framework Gibson has put in with Scott.

Meanwhile the club is unsaleable at £120m underwater (5th worst position in Britain) and had the worst start ever to a season outside the top flight.
 
No he doesn't get the big calls right.
Not remotely.

Hiring Southgate was ridiculous. He should have gone in January 09 before relegation.
Strachan was a complete disaster.
Mowbray managed through a financial wasteland, but then was taking us down.
Karanka was a success while he was backed to promotion and then painfully unsupported in the PL investment free summer window.
Agnew's appointment was a joke.
Monk was then a disaster, given free reign, spending £50m on utter rubbish that the club have lost £38m on, before wages.
pulis then spent another £20m on Flint, Saville and McNair, whilst borrowing rubbish and selling quality.
Woodgate was a disaster, but had no chance.
Warnock saved us from the drop, but should have gone after his first full season.
Wilder started brilliantly but was so obviously at odds with the Mickey Mouse framework Gibson has put in with Scott.

Meanwhile the club is unsaleable at £120m underwater (5th worst position in Britain) and had the worst start ever to a season outside the top flight.
but on the positive side....... :ROFLMAO:
 
No he doesn't get the big calls right.
Not remotely.

Hiring Southgate was ridiculous. He should have gone in January 09 before relegation.
Strachan was a complete disaster.
Mowbray managed through a financial wasteland, but then was taking us down.
Karanka was a success while he was backed to promotion and then painfully unsupported in the PL investment free summer window.
Agnew's appointment was a joke.
Monk was then a disaster, given free reign, spending £50m on utter rubbish that the club have lost £38m on, before wages.
pulis then spent another £20m on Flint, Saville and McNair, whilst borrowing rubbish and selling quality.
Woodgate was a disaster, but had no chance.
Warnock saved us from the drop, but should have gone after his first full season.
Wilder started brilliantly but was so obviously at odds with the Mickey Mouse framework Gibson has put in with Scott.

Meanwhile the club is unsaleable at £120m underwater (5th worst position in Britain) and had the worst start ever to a season outside the top flight.
If that is true we are completely f@cked. You are painting a doomsday scenario here. Basically that last sentence could well mean we are heading the way of Derby. Depressing stuff this thread.
 
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