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will we go with what we have in roberts brynn etc or look to buy or loan for me would like brynn roberts to fight it out for number 1 slot what you all think utb
 
In order to go up, I think we need a quality experienced keeper, I don’t think it is the right time to put Brynn in just yet. I would see if a decent league 1 or a Championship club wanted to loan him, and play him as first choice (to start with) and see how he did.

I understand our style, the way Carrick wants his keepers to be etc, but there is more to goalkeeping than passing a ball 5-20 yards to a teammate while drawing the press in. Nevertheless, I am wondering if Dean Henderson may be an option as he has been out for ages having had a bad injury and Premier League Clubs may be reluctant to sign him as first choice because of it. He will need game time post recovery and is expected to be recovered by pre-season.
 
Sol Brynn's looked the part every time I've seen him. I think he's more than ready to step up. Decent touch as well, so should be able to get involved playing out from the back.
 
WARBIGNOCKERS said:
will we go with what we have in roberts brynn etc or look to buy or loan for me would like brynn roberts to fight it out for number 1 slot what you all think utb
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First choice would be Steffen back - but I have no idea if that is feasible

Sol Brynn sounds like he has been top drawer for Swindon - but I have no idea in all honesty the type of keeper he is. I.e. is he comfortable with the ball at his feet like Steffen?

So i would love to give him a chance but does he come back to be no.2/ cup keeper if we can get Steffen back.
 
MichaelDebeve said:
First choice would be Steffen back - but I have no idea if that is feasible

Sol Brynn sounds like he has been top drawer for Swindon - but I have no idea in all honesty the type of keeper he is. I.e. is he comfortable with the ball at his feet like Steffen?

So i would love to give him a chance but does he come back to be no.2/ cup keeper if we can get Steffen back.
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No one is a comfortable with the ball as Steffen!
 
coluka said:
I understand our style, the way Carrick wants his keepers to be etc, but there is more to goalkeeping than passing a ball 5-20 yards to a teammate while drawing the press in.
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While that's true it's like saying there's more to playing midfield than having a good first touch and weight of pass.

You can of course be a successful midfielder with an unreal engine, pace and top class ball winning ability. But if you can't play well in tight spaces it doesn't matter, you won't get into a Carrick side.

Just as a keeper who's an incredible shot stopper won't get in if they aren't any good with their feet.
 
festa5 said:
While that's true it's like saying there's more to playing midfield than having a good first touch and weight of pass.

You can of course be a successful midfielder with an unreal engine, pace and top class ball winning ability. But if you can't play well in tight spaces it doesn't matter, you won't get into a Carrick side.

Just as a keeper who's an incredible shot stopper won't get in if they aren't any good with their feet.
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And rightly so, if we want to commit to a style, the 11 (and subs) need to be fully invested and be able to execute it, otherwise the style/ way of playing simply wont work.

Under Carrick the GK is critical to this, so 'making do' with a GK will stunt this process
 
Hopefully a keeper able to help in organising the defence, dominate the area when required and catch the ball, as well as having the ability to pass the ball out, which is becoming such a common trait in the game.
 
festa5 said:
While that's true it's like saying there's more to playing midfield than having a good first touch and weight of pass.

You can of course be a successful midfielder with an unreal engine, pace and top class ball winning ability. But if you can't play well in tight spaces it doesn't matter, you won't get into a Carrick side.

Just as a keeper who's an incredible shot stopper won't get in if they aren't any good with their feet.
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Exactly this.
They've had a whole season with Roberts and, by now, they'll know whether he can play that way successfully. If not, it comes down to whether Brynn (or anyone else at the club) has that potential. At this point, only the coaching staff really know the answer to that.
Look at Steffen's heat map vs Brynn's
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festa5 said:
While that's true it's like saying there's more to playing midfield than having a good first touch and weight of pass.

You can of course be a successful midfielder with an unreal engine, pace and top class ball winning ability. But if you can't play well in tight spaces it doesn't matter, you won't get into a Carrick side.

Just as a keeper who's an incredible shot stopper won't get in if they aren't any good with their feet.
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Interesting disection of my comment. That comment was made because people keep harping on threads about Steffens ability to pass to teammates as if its something rare, vital and like other keepers can’t do it, I have no doubt enough others will be calm, composed and capable and have the ability to pick a pass too, with practice comes experience comes accuracy etc.

Steffen has undoubtedly improved from the raw keeper i witnessed earlier in the season, he is now occasionally collecting balls rather than punching, i suspect it is due to regular coaching, his positioning has improved, his shot stopping has improved and some of that will be down to regular game time, some down to coaching etc. However, he is not the finished article, there are ricks still there, but they are in anyone, the frequency is reducing. I certainly wouldn’t say he is commanding. He still has me jittery on corners and set pieces more than anything.

If Carrick wants him back, thats fine, if the finances stack up, who knows 🤷‍♂️ he wouldn’t be my first choice, but neither would he be my last. I doubt he will ever play for City again as he is not good enough at that level as of yet Imho.
He is 28 so I suspect he will want 1st team football, City would want a decent enough fee and his wages may be out of our range anyway. I just thought Henderson may be a realistic option for a decent keeper given his current situation.
 
coluka said:
Interesting disection of my comment. That comment was made because people keep harping on threads about Steffens ability to pass to teammates as if its something rare, vital and like other keepers can’t do it, I have no doubt enough others will be calm, composed and capable and have the ability to pick a pass too, with practice comes experience comes accuracy etc.

Steffen has undoubtedly improved from the raw keeper i witnessed earlier in the season, he is now occasionally collecting balls rather than punching, i suspect it is due to regular coaching, his positioning has improved, his shot stopping has improved and some of that will be down to regular game time, some down to coaching etc. However, he is not the finished article, there are ricks still there, but they are in anyone, the frequency is reducing. I certainly wouldn’t say he is commanding. He still has me jittery on corners and set pieces more than anything.

If Carrick wants him back, thats fine, if the finances stack up, who knows 🤷‍♂️ he wouldn’t be my first choice, but neither would he be my last. I doubt he will ever play for City again as he is not good enough at that level as of yet Imho.
He is 28 so I suspect he will want 1st team football, City would want a decent enough fee and his wages may be out of our range anyway. I just thought Henderson may be a realistic option for a decent keeper given his current situation.
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I dissected it Col to make it clear which part I was referring to.

No intention to quote you out of context or anything, I don't think it's changed the meaning of what you wrote, but apologies if you think it has.
 
coluka said:
Interesting disection of my comment. That comment was made because people keep harping on threads about Steffens ability to pass to teammates as if its something rare, vital and like other keepers can’t do it, I have no doubt enough others will be calm, composed and capable and have the ability to pick a pass too, with practice comes experience comes accuracy etc.

Steffen has undoubtedly improved from the raw keeper i witnessed earlier in the season, he is now occasionally collecting balls rather than punching, i suspect it is due to regular coaching, his positioning has improved, his shot stopping has improved and some of that will be down to regular game time, some down to coaching etc. However, he is not the finished article, there are ricks still there, but they are in anyone, the frequency is reducing. I certainly wouldn’t say he is commanding. He still has me jittery on corners and set pieces more than anything.

If Carrick wants him back, thats fine, if the finances stack up, who knows 🤷‍♂️ he wouldn’t be my first choice, but neither would he be my last. I doubt he will ever play for City again as he is not good enough at that level as of yet Imho.
He is 28 so I suspect he will want 1st team football, City would want a decent enough fee and his wages may be out of our range anyway. I just thought Henderson may be a realistic option for a decent keeper given his current situation.
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I think its more than his ability to pass, its the calmness under pressure to then pick a pass.

Don't get me wrong this 'calmness' and sometimes over confidence can get him into bother, but that is the risk you have to take with this style. Example is Steele getting back into Brightons team due to his ability on the ball, but last night against the geordies he was under some serious pressure and looked shaky. However, its in his make up to play like that, same with Steffen.

There are simply some keepers who cant play this type of game, they can pass, but struggle to pass in the situations when this style needs a simple calm pass, as you want to invite the opposition out to attack.
 
Steffen cost City £6m.....would they want this back? Would they be happy to get him off the books for £3-4m?

I think his reported £80k week wages may not be true, unless it's massively bonus related. Looking online it has him at £2.4m year - iro £46k week. If he dropped this to £25k he will be our second top earner behind Chuba......is it worth it for a keeper?

Whatever, hope some kind of deal can be thrashed out ......even another 12 months loan.👍
 
Would be nice to have some consistency. Since relegation the only keeper who's hung around in the first team for more than one season is Randolph. During that time we've had single seasons from Bettinelli, Pears, Lumley and Steffen, plus several keepers who've been signed as backups and hardly played even when the first choice keeper has lost form (Lonergan, Archer, Daniels, Roberts, Stojanovic).
 
h_m_boro said:
Steffen cost City £6m.....would they want this back? Would they be happy to get him off the books for £3-4m?

I think his reported £80k week wages may not be true, unless it's massively bonus related. Looking online it has him at £2.4m year - iro £46k week. If he dropped this to £25k he will be our second top earner behind Chuba......is it worth it for a keeper?

Whatever, hope some kind of deal can be thrashed out ......even another 12 months loan.👍
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Of course it's worth it for a keeper. The best manager I've known bought Shilton for that reason.
 
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