Has Covid and inflation killed pubs and clubs?

Malaguena said:
Nobody is arguing about the cost of essentials having risen and having an impact on the cost of living, but for this analysis to be any way relevant, you'd need to add (as I said earlier) new fancy phone every year, top of the range gaming laptop every year, season ticket every year, go to every away match each season, and have three holidays a year, and see where you end up

The entitled ones like Sheriff expect to have those as a human right - in the 90s there was no expectation of anything being a "must have"
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I'm sure people went on holidays, had season tickets, had electronic stuff in the 90s.

Plus people used to spend fortunes in Ritz videos and then blockbuster video, I reckon at least 1mill a year in late return fees!
 
Malaguena said:
Nobody is arguing about the cost of essentials having risen and having an impact on the cost of living, but for this analysis to be any way relevant, you'd need to add (as I said earlier) new fancy phone every year, top of the range gaming laptop every year, season ticket every year, go to every away match each season, and have three holidays a year, and see where you end up

The entitled ones like Sheriff expect to have those as a human right - in the 90s there was no expectation of anything being a "must have"
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Even if someone was to buy a phone, laptop, and season ticket every year... What are we talking? Less than 5k?

House prices have went up 370% and the average wage has only went up 85% in the same time period.

Maybe the younger generation need those three holidays, because for some of them, the reality is... They might never be able to afford to own their own home, never be able to leave their kids any inheritance, or help them onto the property ladder...

You're delusional if you think people buying a house in the 90s had it harder then they do buying one today.
 
£4.20 for a pint of lager in my local pub. Just a pub on a housing estate not a town centre pub. Its a fooking rip off.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Young people spend the money they would have spent on beer on rent and mortgages.
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It's definitely this.

Remember banks won't give out 100% mortgages now either, or interest only mortgages like you oldies were getting in the 70s. My partners aunt was telling us over christmas about the first property she bought back in the olden days. She went into the bank asking for a 100% mortgage and the manager insisted on a 120% so she could furnish the place!

Keep in mind also that you've got Blair's 50% of young people ought to go to uni clashing with Cameron's £9k per year tuition fees. Half of 21 year olds are graduating with minimum £27k of debt. 😵‍💫
 
Malaguena said:
And yet, nowhere near where mortgage rates and (relatively) rental levels were the early 90s, as I've said above - when interest rates get to 15% and you can't afford your new fancy phone every year, top of the range gaming laptop every year, season ticket every year, go to every away match each season, and have three holidays a year, then you can come crying.

Never mind "boomer" generation, we're currently in "self entitled" generation
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Yeah but in the 80s you lot had a new wall mounted curly cord phone every year, new fax machine every year, new set of encyclopedias every month, new pair of legwarmers every week...
 
Greedy International breweries selling expensive bland booze via bored, untrained, lazy staff. Green King type pubs like Norman Conquest offering no proper bitter.
Long waits to be served when the pubs are empty. Glug loads of blue jugs and cocktails taking for ever.
Serving lazy, sit at the table on their app types whilst the queue builds at the bar.
No eye contact from the "traditional friendly welcome" staff.
 
SuperStu said:
It's definitely this.

Remember banks won't give out 100% mortgages now either, or interest only mortgages like you oldies were getting in the 70s. My partners aunt was telling us over christmas about the first property she bought back in the olden days. She went into the bank asking for a 100% mortgage and the manager insisted on a 120% so she could furnish the place!

Keep in mind also that you've got Blair's 50% of young people ought to go to uni clashing with Cameron's £9k per year tuition fees. Half of 21 year olds are graduating with minimum £27k of debt. 😵‍💫
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You couldn't get 120pc mortgages in the 70s. Mid 00s,yes.
 
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