Will Isaiah reach his potential at boro?

Sexpom said:
Did you even read what I wrote? I said there is still a place for him but we need to bring someone better in. He’s a reasonable substitute to bring on but he’s been poor all season.
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Like I say, I must have missed his 3 goals and 3 assists if he’s been poor all season.

I must have missed his contributions in the wins over Norwich, Blackpool, Luton, Wigan x2 off the top of my head.

He was also the best player on the pitch v Sunderland at home. So you’re talking nonsense I’m afraid.
 
Also this is nothing like slagging Tavernier, jones is nowhere near Tavs level. I haven’t seen a players form drop off the edge of a cliff like this for a long time and it’s worrying. I want the lad to do well for us but he’s been very poor.
 
Colin Warnek said:
Like I say, I must have missed his 3 goals and 3 assists if he’s been poor all season.

I must have missed his contributions in the wins over Norwich, Blackpool, Luton, Wigan x2 off the top of my head.

He was also the best player on the pitch v Sunderland at home. So you’re talking nonsense I’m afraid.
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I have praised him when he does well and hope he can find his best again but does it not worry how poor he has been? In the last few games he can barely control the football and kick it in a straight line.
 
I just don’t think he was ever as good as people made out, at times unplayable but wildly inconsistent which isn’t really surprising for a young player from the lower leagues. It’s probably been hard for anyone to stand out in this side over the last few years but regardless he just isn’t good enough to start in this side
 
JM14 said:
I just don’t think he was ever as good as people made out, at times unplayable but wildly inconsistent which isn’t really surprising for a young player from the lower leagues. It’s probably been hard for anyone to stand out in this side over the last few years but regardless he just isn’t good enough to start in this side
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Not at the moment he isn’t, he’s obviously got the talent and we have seen it before but he looks like a non league footballer at the minute.
 
Always the same with Boro fans when we have a player who can do the unpredictable but are flawed, we'd rather bin them off for someone boring and never does anything remotely exciting because at least they don't make mistakes.

It was the same with Traore, not saying Jones is anywhere near Traore's level but flawed players seem to infuriate Boro fans. Get Downing back so he can pass it sideways for 90 mins, I'm sure that'll make people happy. Steffen is similar at the moment as well, best keeper we've had since Randolph and is class on the ball but Boro fans would rather we had some fella who smacked it long all game because there is no mistake to be had there.
 
Every player has the right to have a dip in form, but his rise and fall are both great and shocking, he is a confidence player, playing with no confidence of late, hence why a striker has replaced him on the right hand side. Forss doesn't look comfortable playing there, but obviously Carrick feels he is the better option at the moment, and rightly so... in the manager I trust !!!
 
Chappy112 said:
Always the same with Boro fans when we have a player who can do the unpredictable but are flawed, we'd rather bin them off for someone boring and never does anything remotely exciting because at least they don't make mistakes.

It was the same with Traore, not saying Jones is anywhere near Traore's level but flawed players seem to infuriate Boro fans. Get Downing back so he can pass it sideways for 90 mins, I'm sure that'll make people happy. Steffen is similar at the moment as well, best keeper we've had since Randolph and is class on the ball but Boro fans would rather we had some fella who smacked it long all game because there is no mistake to be had there.
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Isaiah is different for me, he is struggling with the basics of football. He can’t pass or control a football at the minute. His form has fallen off the edge of a cliff.
 
Sexpom said:
Nowhere near the same player as last year, did he peak too early? He still has a place but I don’t think he will reach those levels again. I’d be looking to replace him this window.
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No, he's not reached his ceiling, he's got a long way to go yet.

He's a wide-attacking player who won't suit playing in a back 4 of a 4-2-3-1, as he's not defensive, and he's never played in a 4-2-3-1, in the three, so it's hard for him to figure out what to do there. He'll learn though. He's only been a pro footballer at this level for 1.5 years, and is only 23, with a new manager, give him chance.

Previously in a 3-5-2 he was the widest guy on the pitch but in the 4-2-3-1 he's meant to be preventing damage coming through the middle, so ideally wants the winger outside of him, to later get double-teamed by Smith, but they're not a good combination against a very good player.

He might suit a 4-4-2 more, but no modern, forward-thinking team will play that way, or maybe a 4-5-1 defensive side, or 4-3-3 attacking side. The dual role 4-2-3-1 is not really his game (yet), it's a lot to learn at champo level, never mind against a top 8 prem side who's no 1 aim is a cup win.
 
Andy_W said:
No, he's not reached his ceiling, he's got a long way to go yet.

He's a wide-attacking player who won't suit playing in a back 4 of a 4-2-3-1, as he's not defensive, and he's never played in a 4-2-3-1, in the three, so it's hard for him to figure out what to do there. He'll learn though. He's only been a pro footballer at this level for 1.5 years, and is only 23, with a new manager, give him chance.

Previously in a 3-5-2 he was the widest guy on the pitch but in the 4-2-3-1 he's meant to be preventing damage coming through the middle, so ideally wants the winger outside of him, to later get double-teamed by Smith, but they're not a good combination against a very good player.

He might suit a 4-4-2 more, but no modern, forward-thinking team will play that way, or maybe a 4-5-1 defensive side, or 4-3-3 attacking side. The dual role 4-2-3-1 is not really his game (yet), it's a lot to learn at champo level, never mind against a top 8 prem side who's no 1 aim is a cup win.
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I’m with you I said there was still a place for him, it just concerns me when a player can’t control the easiest of passes or even pass to a team mate.
 
Alwaysaborolad said:
Every player has the right to have a dip in form, but his rise and fall are both great and shocking, he is a confidence player, playing with no confidence of late, hence why a striker has replaced him on the right hand side. Forss doesn't look comfortable playing there, but obviously Carrick feels he is the better option at the moment, and rightly so... in the manager I trust !!!
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It's a very difficult position to play, especially for young lads who are still finding their feet in positions they know well, never mind the one which is the most demanding/ complicated on the pitch.

In the 4-2-3-1 there are 9 players who can basically play single roles, but the two wider lads of that three have to basically cover for two positions, it's tough, and demanding, hence why nearly every team playing this way makes subs for that position after 60/70 mins.

The demanding nature of that position gives Chuba basically a free role, so where you gain in one area big time, it makes it really hard on the other two. It's working at our level though.
 
Sexpom said:
I’m with you I said there was still a place for him, it just concerns me when a player can’t control the easiest of passes or even pass to a team mate.
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His mind will be blown, he won't know where he's at or where he's meant to be, not at that level.

He doesn't seem all that clever mind, and that role needs clever play, if his head can't figure it out yet, then what his feet do will be irrelevant. They'll be coaching the crap out of him for that position though, it will click soon enough, and then become second nature.

To get him through it he'd need 1 on 1 game coaching, like how Pulis used to do with Traore.
 
Chappy112 said:
Always the same with Boro fans when we have a player who can do the unpredictable but are flawed, we'd rather bin them off for someone boring and never does anything remotely exciting because at least they don't make mistakes.

It was the same with Traore, not saying Jones is anywhere near Traore's level but flawed players seem to infuriate Boro fans. Get Downing back so he can pass it sideways for 90 mins, I'm sure that'll make people happy. Steffen is similar at the moment as well, best keeper we've had since Randolph and is class on the ball but Boro fans would rather we had some fella who smacked it long all game because there is no mistake to be had there.
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Yes remember Traore getting a rough ride :ROFLMAO:
 
Andy_W said:
His mind will be blown, he won't know where he's at or where he's meant to be, not at that level.

He doesn't seem all that clever mind, and that role needs clever play, if his head can't figure it out yet, then what his feet do will be irrelevant. They'll be coaching the crap out of him for that position though, it will click soon enough, and then become second nature.

To get him through it he'd need 1 on 1 game coaching, like how Pulis used to do with Traore.
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I really hope you’re right Andy but Traore was a different beast.
 
He's a kid from Tooting who got a pro contract and probably couldn't believe it, but teams wouldn't be doubling up on him if he hadn't shown something. I agree that repetitions - of crossing, of first touch exercises - are what's needed. Traore blossomed from embarrassing to unplayable. Jones needs constant shots of praise and self-belief because of where he comes from so I just hope he's managed right. He could go far, he could fade. Time will tell.
 
I think that's a rediculous take. He's going through his first real dip in form, which every young player goes through. Despite his age, he's very young in terms of being in the professional game. And did not go through the typical academy route, so won't have had the kind of coaching most players get to make the technique second nature.

Once he gets through the dip in form he'll gain a lot from it. As many have said, he's tactically home from having a fairly simple role as a winger, to having to learn how to play as a wing back and improve his defensive game, to playing a completely different wide forward.role. all in the space of around 18 months. And going from being a player other teams didn't pay any attention to (and generally going up against full back with no pace) to having most sides double up on him to make sure he doesn't get any space. At some stage he was going to struggle, he's still got a lot of natural ability and has bags of potential he's yet to fulfil.
 
His first touch has always been poor - the amount of times the ball slips under his foot is embarrassing for a professional footballer. But this can be improved upon, just needs someone to whack balls at him all week long. However, it could be that it is a concentration issue in which case he is the only one who can help himself.

His positioning - When Smith gets the ball he drops deeper and deeper to receive the ball meaning he has limited options and ultimately goes backwards. He needs telling to stay pushed up to leave himself isolated with the opposition full back. Too often he receives it and has 3 shirts around him before he even gets the ball under control. Forss' positioning for a right winger has been spot on and he is often 1 on 1 with their full back, he just doesn't have the same pace to burn as Jones. Combine the best bits of both of them and we'd be onto a winner.

My other gripe has always been his final ball. He doesn't seem to get the pace on any crosses like Giles does, they're all too floaty or he tries the through the legs pass and inevitably loses position.

His defensive work is still excellent and always tracks back.
 
Daft to suggest getting rid in my opinion. As already pointed out, if he's still able to chip in with a few goals and assists whilst apparently having a bad season, then it's worth hanging on to see him when he hits form.

Honestly though I think there's probably a different level of expectation from fans with him, compared to last year when he was an unknown quantity and it was such a bonus that he did as well as he did. I suspect he probably had mostly defensive coaching during Wilders year with him too, for the RWB role, so it'll maybe take him a while to get back to his best as a winger.
 
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