Hellberg vs Edwards stats

Surprising we are slightly better defensively under Hellberg. Goals, XG and possession the really big differences, and all substantially better. As said above we were second under Edwards as well so unlikely to see a complete turnaround in the stats.
 
I'd be more interested in stats related to pressing and turnovers. I think that's where the big differences have been.
 
Loads of people hate Edwards, but likely would not do so if he was rubbish.

For what it is worth, I am enjoying this spell of football under Helburg more than I can remember including peak Karanka and peak Carrick / early Wilder.

The only slight doubt it that this is still; the honeymoon period.
 
Left_peg said:
The football looks very different, feels very different yet some of the stats look like very marginal gains
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As has been said, the RE stats aren't at all bad. We rightly criticise how he left, but he'd done a good job, and we were doing better under him than anyone expected.

Maybe the increases look better as percentage increases?

It may also help to ask what is realistic? I get the impression that xG underestimates the number of goals, unless a team scores 0.

For example, all championship teams had an xG below 2 this weekend, but 5 scored 2, 1 scored 3 and 1 scored 4. We've not scored 0 often under KH apart from that run, so maybe it's not surprising xG is only 1.5?
 
They're pretty major differences in some of the categories, it just looks smaller because it's per 90.

On the goals scored one, that's scoring 58 goals in a season under Edwards* or scoring 88 goals under Hellberg.

*The Edwards stats all wrongly include Viveash's 2-1 victory against Birmingham, so they'll be inflated higher than they should be.
He was in charge for 14 league games, not 15.

We actually scored 17 games in 14 games under him, 1.21 goals per game, which would be 55.85 goals in a season.
 
Numbers are always going to be within fine margins. A team that was second then compared to a team that is second now.

Only thing I would say is that KH had to rebuild his teams tactical approach whilst playing competitive games, whereas RE did his work preseason without the pressure.

KH's numbers were adversely affected at his outset. RE numbers were adversely affected at the end of his tenure - think it was 2 wins in 8 games.

Under KH we are improving, under RE we were starting to come undone.

I was pleased to see RE approach first game of the season. Amd I was pleased to see the back of him as he ran out of ideas.

KH is the better coach. He knows what he is doing whereas RE is no more than shiny teeth with soundbites.
 
I think most would agree that the signings of Jones, Brittain, Targett and Browne have made us more competitive. However RE still needed to make them believe and structure the team so it would be stronger.
 
BiggEggo said:
Numbers are always going to be within fine margins. A team that was second then compared to a team that is second now.

Only thing I would say is that KH had to rebuild his teams tactical approach whilst playing competitive games, whereas RE did his work preseason without the pressure.

KH's numbers were adversely affected at his outset. RE numbers were adversely affected at the end of his tenure - think it was 2 wins in 8 games.

Under KH we are improving, under RE we were starting to come undone.

I was pleased to see RE approach first game of the season. Amd I was pleased to see the back of him as he ran out of ideas.

KH is the better coach. He knows what he is doing whereas RE is no more than shiny teeth with soundbites.
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We were third when Edwards left.

We’re top of the league since Hellberg arrived
 
Another good stat not mentioned by Sky is points per game Edwards was 1.85 (not including the Birmingham game ) Hellberg 2.15 assuming I have not messed the maths up.
 
We were already a good team under Edwards. Especially in terms especially defensively. The first few games under Edwards, we played quite similar to how we do under Hellberg. A really high committed press.
It did drop off in his last few games for whatever reason and we were less effective.

Hellberg has come in and refined it and improved on it. The high press has come back and is even better. We are much more fluid in possession and commit more bodies forward. But I think there are some similarities.
 
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