Here we go again with Covid

Mwelolo

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Cases are going to spike dramatically.

A small percentage of a large number could well put an an already strained NHS under unbearable pressure.

Cue further restrictions. None of us want it but it will probably become necessary.

Quite conceivable that football will be paused again, increasing player infections and possible bans on large gatherings.

I really hoped we would be in a better place by now.
 

South Africa’s omicron Covid outbreaks may already be running out of steam​

Country’s virus death rate now one in 200 – the lowest it has been throughout the pandemic and 10 times lower than last September

BySarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR13 December 2021 • 7:15pm

Experts in South Africa have suggested vaccinations are still providing protection from severe disease

Experts in South Africa have suggested vaccinations are still providing protection from severe disease CREDIT: Emmanuel Croset/AFP via Getty Images
Omicron outbreaks in South African hotspots may be running out of steam less than three weeks after the new variant was identified, data suggests.
Cases in the province of Gauteng – which had surging infections from November – appear to be levelling off, while seven-day infections in Tshwane, one of the early epicentres, are now "relatively flat".
Although recent days have brought large spikes after a computer update led to an extra 37,875 cases being included in the daily count, experts have pointed out that the increases are far shallower once averaged by specimen date.
Louis Rossouw, of the Covid-19 Actuaries Response Group in South Africa, said that although the country had surpassed the peak of previous waves some areas were beginning to see a lull.
"Case growth is steeper than last week but still has slowed down versus November," he said. "In Gauteng, cases are still levelling off. Tshwane cases are relatively flat, with a slight increase in the most recent days."
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Statisticians in South Africa have also noted that the case fatality rate – the percentage of people who go on to die from an infection – has fallen considerably since the arrival of omicron.
With the delta variant, around three per cent of infections – one in 33 – were resulting in death, but now that figure has slumped to 0.5 per cent – one in 200 – the lowest it has been throughout the pandemic in South Africa and 10 times lower than in September last year.

Some experts claim there has not been enough time for the death data to catch up with infections and that the case fatality rate will rise in coming weeks as infections start to translate into hospitalisations and deaths.
But Peter Streicher, a research associate at the University of Johannesburg, pointed out that the infection to death lag in South Africa is just 10 days because most cases are only picked up once they arrive in hospital, when many are already severe. It means omicron should have been visible in the death data by now.
"The case fatality rate was consistently at three per cent until late November, mostly delta deaths," he said. "If the case fatality rate remained at three per cent, we would have seen 200 deaths per day by now. We are seeing around 21 deaths per day currently, of which eight are probably still delta deaths.
"Omicron is extremely mild. The rest of the world has nothing to fear."
His modelling also suggests cases in Guateng have peaked and the total deaths caused by the wave will be around 640 – about four per cent of South Africa's delta wave, which saw 15,400 deaths.
Several doctors and researchers have also argued that omicron is likely to be a milder disease even if it is more infectious. The South African Medical Research Council found that very few hospitalised patients with the variant needed oxygen or were admitted to intensive care.
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Harry Moultrie, a senior medical epidemiologist at the the National Institute for Communicable Diseases in South Africa, said it appeared cases and hospital admissions were showing signs of "decoupling", suggesting previous infections or vaccinations were still providing protection from severe disease even if they were not stopping infections.
In Britain, just 10 people have so far been admitted to hospital with omicron, and there has been one death.
At a briefing in London on Monday, Matthew Snape, professor in paediatrics and vaccinology at the University of Oxford, said the South Africa data suggested vaccines and previous infections were giving some protection against the variant.
"In areas where we know omicron has been circulating for a bit longer, such as in South Africa, they are not seeing severe disease, maybe because they actually still have enough cross-reactive antibodies," he said.
Figures show younger patients are also making up more hospital admissions than in previous waves. Prof Alastair Grant, of the University of East Anglia, believes the current hospitalisation rate for omicron is likely to be 20 per cent less than delta because it is most common in 20 to 40-year-olds who are less likely to be admitted.
Harsha Somaroo, a public health medicine specialist who is part of the team analysing data for the Gauteng Department of Health, told The Conversation Africa that between 7.4 per cent and 52.1 per cent of admissions are patients admitted for other conditions who have also tested positive for omicron.
Currently in Britain, around 27 per cent of patients in hospital with Covid have other conditions as their primary reason for admission.
 

South Africa’s omicron Covid outbreaks may already be running out of steam​

Country’s virus death rate now one in 200 – the lowest it has been throughout the pandemic and 10 times lower than last September

BySarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR13 December 2021 • 7:15pm

Experts in South Africa have suggested vaccinations are still providing protection from severe disease

Experts in South Africa have suggested vaccinations are still providing protection from severe disease CREDIT: Emmanuel Croset/AFP via Getty Images
Omicron outbreaks in South African hotspots may be running out of steam less than three weeks after the new variant was identified, data suggests.
Cases in the province of Gauteng – which had surging infections from November – appear to be levelling off, while seven-day infections in Tshwane, one of the early epicentres, are now "relatively flat".
Although recent days have brought large spikes after a computer update led to an extra 37,875 cases being included in the daily count, experts have pointed out that the increases are far shallower once averaged by specimen date.
Louis Rossouw, of the Covid-19 Actuaries Response Group in South Africa, said that although the country had surpassed the peak of previous waves some areas were beginning to see a lull.
"Case growth is steeper than last week but still has slowed down versus November," he said. "In Gauteng, cases are still levelling off. Tshwane cases are relatively flat, with a slight increase in the most recent days."
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Statisticians in South Africa have also noted that the case fatality rate – the percentage of people who go on to die from an infection – has fallen considerably since the arrival of omicron.
With the delta variant, around three per cent of infections – one in 33 – were resulting in death, but now that figure has slumped to 0.5 per cent – one in 200 – the lowest it has been throughout the pandemic in South Africa and 10 times lower than in September last year.

Some experts claim there has not been enough time for the death data to catch up with infections and that the case fatality rate will rise in coming weeks as infections start to translate into hospitalisations and deaths.
But Peter Streicher, a research associate at the University of Johannesburg, pointed out that the infection to death lag in South Africa is just 10 days because most cases are only picked up once they arrive in hospital, when many are already severe. It means omicron should have been visible in the death data by now.
"The case fatality rate was consistently at three per cent until late November, mostly delta deaths," he said. "If the case fatality rate remained at three per cent, we would have seen 200 deaths per day by now. We are seeing around 21 deaths per day currently, of which eight are probably still delta deaths.
"Omicron is extremely mild. The rest of the world has nothing to fear."
His modelling also suggests cases in Guateng have peaked and the total deaths caused by the wave will be around 640 – about four per cent of South Africa's delta wave, which saw 15,400 deaths.
Several doctors and researchers have also argued that omicron is likely to be a milder disease even if it is more infectious. The South African Medical Research Council found that very few hospitalised patients with the variant needed oxygen or were admitted to intensive care.
Placeholder image for youtube video: HisaMHjRkvk

Harry Moultrie, a senior medical epidemiologist at the the National Institute for Communicable Diseases in South Africa, said it appeared cases and hospital admissions were showing signs of "decoupling", suggesting previous infections or vaccinations were still providing protection from severe disease even if they were not stopping infections.
In Britain, just 10 people have so far been admitted to hospital with omicron, and there has been one death.
At a briefing in London on Monday, Matthew Snape, professor in paediatrics and vaccinology at the University of Oxford, said the South Africa data suggested vaccines and previous infections were giving some protection against the variant.
"In areas where we know omicron has been circulating for a bit longer, such as in South Africa, they are not seeing severe disease, maybe because they actually still have enough cross-reactive antibodies," he said.
Figures show younger patients are also making up more hospital admissions than in previous waves. Prof Alastair Grant, of the University of East Anglia, believes the current hospitalisation rate for omicron is likely to be 20 per cent less than delta because it is most common in 20 to 40-year-olds who are less likely to be admitted.
Harsha Somaroo, a public health medicine specialist who is part of the team analysing data for the Gauteng Department of Health, told The Conversation Africa that between 7.4 per cent and 52.1 per cent of admissions are patients admitted for other conditions who have also tested positive for omicron.
Currently in Britain, around 27 per cent of patients in hospital with Covid have other conditions as their primary reason for admission.
I hope you’re right.

Time will tell.
 
You know it's getting bad when the footy is getting postponed cos of it.

200,000 cases of Omicron yesterday according to the stats. So that's going to be 800,000 at the weekend. That is mental. And I'm still allowed to go to gigs!! :ROFLMAO:
 
Similarities with when Covid first manifested.

‘Why are people panicking - it’s just flu’

‘Nobody will need to go to hospital’

‘Nobody will die’

We know what happened next….

Though I do understand the human tendency to deny something which is very unpleasant and unpalatable.
 
Maybe Dan, maybe not. But we've known this for over a year now, at least since the Delta (Kent) variant came along.
At some point we’ll get a variant that’ll get us back to normal. This is uncharted territory for the last few generations. We’ve also got better treatments coming which could dished out to anyone who tests positive and further reduce hospitalisations. We’ll get there.
 
Just seems like last year. Mention a new varient and a rise in cases then no doubt go Tier 4 a week before Xmas. It's almost like it's been 'drip fed' over the last 2 weeks to prepare us.

I can really see the footy getting shut down if it keeps on. Especially as its effecting the premier league (so everyone will follow). Then pubs and clubs will follow. Happy Xmas🎄😒

It's slightly annoying knowing the large majority of professional footballers are yet to be vaccinated (if you believe what's wrote) and Warnocks comments about our lot.

It's bloody annoying about the booster. I'm on 5 months since my second and could have had it anytime in the last month or so but wasn't allowed. Its now 'you must get a booster' and folk are queuing around the block and websites crashing.

I'm really worried that this is now the new 'normal'. It's pretty nailed on that you'll get 2-3 new varients every year.
 
Just seems like last year. Mention a new varient and a rise in cases then no doubt go Tier 4 a week before Xmas. It's almost like it's been 'drip fed' over the last 2 weeks to prepare us.

I can really see the footy getting shut down if it keeps on. Especially as its effecting the premier league (so everyone will follow). Then pubs and clubs will follow. Happy Xmas🎄😒

It's slightly annoying knowing the large majority of professional footballers are yet to be vaccinated (if you believe what's wrote) and Warnocks comments about our lot.

It's bloody annoying about the booster. I'm on 5 months since my second and could have had it anytime in the last month or so but wasn't allowed. Its now 'you must get a booster' and folk are queuing around the block and websites crashing.

I'm really worried that this is now the new 'normal'. It's pretty nailed on that you'll get 2-3 new varients every year.
My Wife and I got our boosters 10 days ago, just before the free for all. That has been handled quite badly. Do it in cohorts 500k a day. You get the same number done every day without asking people to queue all day.
 
My Wife and I got our boosters 10 days ago, just before the free for all. That has been handled quite badly. Do it in cohorts 500k a day. You get the same number done every day without asking people to queue all day.

Who would have thought that the booster campaign would be a shambles?

I have mine tomorrow - booked it a couple of weeks ago. I'm lucky I suppose but I'd hate to be one of the many trying to get one booked in now.
 
At some point we’ll get a variant that’ll get us back to normal. This is uncharted territory for the last few generations. We’ve also got better treatments coming which could dished out to anyone who tests positive and further reduce hospitalisations. We’ll get there.
i agree with this. It would be natural and normal for a virus to eventually mutate in to something less deadly (Viruses don't benefit from killing their hosts so simple evolution suggests it'll eventually weaken).

The hope is that Omicron is that mutation. it would be nice if it was, because it's also very fast spreading. Meaning it'll quickly become the dominant strain. Here's hoping it's less deadly.
 
Who would have thought that the booster campaign would be a shambles?

I have mine tomorrow - booked it a couple of weeks ago. I'm lucky I suppose but I'd hate to be one of the many trying to get one booked in now.
I'm booked in for the 3rd Jan. It's the earliest I could get after my 6 months (it wouldn't let me book earlier)

I was actually due it on the 29th that clashed with the Blackpool game. So that's my bad. I had a look at 2300 last night to see if I could change it. I was number 8093 in a que at 2300... Sacked it off.

They now say 3-4 months after 2nd jab is 'fine'. I could have had it anytime over the last 2 months without getting envolved in all this hassle.
 
Just seems like last year. Mention a new varient and a rise in cases then no doubt go Tier 4 a week before Xmas. It's almost like it's been 'drip fed' over the last 2 weeks to prepare us.

I can really see the footy getting shut down if it keeps on. Especially as its effecting the premier league (so everyone will follow). Then pubs and clubs will follow. Happy Xmas🎄😒

It's slightly annoying knowing the large majority of professional footballers are yet to be vaccinated (if you believe what's wrote) and Warnocks comments about our lot.

It's bloody annoying about the booster. I'm on 5 months since my second and could have had it anytime in the last month or so but wasn't allowed. Its now 'you must get a booster' and folk are queuing around the block and websites crashing.

I'm really worried that this is now the new 'normal'. It's pretty nailed on that you'll get 2-3 new varients every year.
I also note that this morning's main paper headlines are 'NHS can't cope with demand for boosters' after been given precisely zero time to get ready for Johnson's 1 million a day pledge on Sunday night 8pm. So Johnson knocked the terrible headlines about his own conduct off the front pages, while also allowing right wing editors to continue to push the narrative that the NHS is not fit for purpose.

I can see football being played behind closed doors in January and February. It's surely mad to let large groups of people to criss-cross the country on public transport and then return to their own towns every Saturday while a highly infectious unknown variant is prevalant (even if it isn't as severe as feared).
 
I think we are in a reasonable place considering at the start of this we were expecting the vaccinations to take years to develop and not weeks. These scientists and the people actually doing the toil have worked wonders.
There's too much whinging goes on. Wearing masks and distancing takes no effort.
Passports take a bit more thought, this could damage the economy needlessly.
 
Gordon Brown has been flying the flag for vaccine equity for months now and turns out he was/is right.

Short of another completely separate pandemic (!) the biggest threat currently is from mutations - the quicker we can roll out vaccinations globally, the quicker that risk reduces. Otherwise, the West may arguably get back to "normal" (or close) but travel to a number of poorer countries could be outlawed for years to come.

The science does seem to be keeping ahead of the curve (an incredible achievement in itself), all that's needed now is the political will, genuine engagement and collaboration.
 
We don't seem to get the information anymore on how many of the serious cases are people who haven't been vaccinated, or am I missing that? If the majority in hospital are those who have refused repeated calls to be vaccinated (I think I read that was around 5 million) there's no reason to introduce further restrictions other than vaccine passes and also ensure that the rest of the world has access to vaccines as changingman said above!
 
Who would have thought that the booster campaign would be a shambles?

I have mine tomorrow - booked it a couple of weeks ago. I'm lucky I suppose but I'd hate to be one of the many trying to get one booked in now.
I booked mine as soon as I was allowed to at the start of December, the date I got that didn’t involve travelling miles was 29 Dec. Now we have a free for all and I have a choice: wait for my appointment or cancel and risk joining a queue at one of the pop up walk in centres and waiting for hours to maybe not get in (don’t know how long queues are but I’m in work til 24 Dec so would have to take time off and if the place closes before you get to front of queue etc? What then? You have to cancel your booked appointment before getting a walk in).

dunno what to do.
 
I booked mine as soon as I was allowed to at the start of December, the date I got that didn’t involve travelling miles was 29 Dec. Now we have a free for all and I have a choice: wait for my appointment or cancel and risk joining a queue at one of the pop up walk in centres and waiting for hours to maybe not get in (don’t know how long queues are but I’m in work til 24 Dec so would have to take time off and if the place closes before you get to front of queue etc? What then? You have to cancel your booked appointment before getting a walk in).

dunno what to do.

I think you can have your booster at a walk in THEN cancel your booked appointment.

I'd probably chance a walk in as you have a bit of a wait.
 
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