How is Starmer doing since being elected?

Connor_loft

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I’m interested to see members’ responses on a scale from 1 to 10.

I’d say about a 7 or 8.

I’d like to see Labour go further and be bolder with regards to things such as public sector investment - in particular the nhs. And scrapping the two-child cap

And I don’t know if it’s just because of the lack of competency I’ve seen over the past few years especially - but I have faith with this current Labour government. Love to hear what you would want Starmer to do now and what you’d love to see in the budget! 🌹
 
I’m interested to see members’ responses on a scale from 1 to 10.

I’d say about a 7 or 8.

I’d like to see Labour go further and be bolder with regards to things such as public sector investment - in particular the nhs. And scrapping the two-child cap

And I don’t know if it’s just because of the lack of competency I’ve seen over the past few years especially - but I have faith with this current Labour government. Love to hear what you would want Starmer to do now and what you’d love to see in the budget! 🌹
far too early to tell. This reminds me of the thread about writing players off before they've got their feet under the table.
 
I feel a little bit lost, to be honest, with nobody on the morning radio telling me who else is to blame for things and providing me with repetitive soundbites. It's almost like I'm being left to think for myself. That's uncomfortable and uses valuable brain power.
 
The stuff that has been announced so far is good and you get a sense it's to improve society and not to work against it.

Was a guy on fb last night asking what labour have ever delivered for the UK. When given an extensive list he came back with what Ben had "delivered" and when I gave some facts about those he said I was typical labour, moaning about everything unless my "lot" had delivered it. No response about PPE scandals, party gate, breaching cuts, thatchers impact on the north, eat out to help out and so on - all mentioned because he kept saying people round here have "very short memories" lol.

I'd honestly be fine with a mayor of any party, but personally I feel like mayoral positions should be apolitical as should PCC roles, you're either working with or against your party with MP's and councils and to me that's just cycles of inefficiency. Best man (or woman) for the job, to get best results and outcomes for the town, and that way local MP's and councils should all support and less infighting.

All backed up with defined governance structures of course to prevent the sort of scandals we have brewing now.
 
He (and Labour as a whole) is doing very well, but no better than I expected to be honest, as I expected them to do very well.

People will say "well they've had nothing major to deal with", which is fair enough, but that was also kind of the point of getting them in power. They don't create many problems for themselves, and they've made lots of positive moves with little media backlash, this is good.

Everything he and they are saying has been calm, practical and well thought out I think, and it's showing in the approval polls. It's not just starter though, this is a reflection on the whole of Labour, it's not just about one person.

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I can understand some will have an issue with the two child benefit cap, but can see points for this from all sides, and they need to find a balance somehow, maybe the two child limit is balance? How many go on to have a third kid when they already have two on benefits?

People will say "Why are people having three or more kids when they can't afford one or two kids?", and I find it fairly difficult to disagree with this as a basic principle. Times are desperate, people shouldn't be committing to things they cannot afford until they're/ we're in a better position. Where is the extra money coming from to pay out more benefits?

Of course it's not the kids fault they're being pushed into effective poverty either though, of course not, but I don't believe the parents should come out better off due to it. The money has to 100% go to the kids, but I've no idea whether this actually happens or not.

For me, I think we should fund lifting the two child benefit cap, and fund it by removing the triple lock on pensions, but also by means testing the pension, give the poor more, and the richer less or nil. The money has to come from the richest generation, to fund the poorest I think. The result of this would likely mean I never get a state pension myself (I don't think I will anyway, regardless of this), and I won't feel any benefit or removing the two child benefit cap as I don't have or want kids, but I'm not bothered, people will likely need it a lot more than me.

Removing the triple lock or means testing the pension will lose Labour loads of older votes though, but if they're going to do that, now is the time, they don't want to be doing it near an election etc. It looks like they've decided not to do this though, but maybe they will look at that next term if they get in.

The UK needs kids though, and really needs to encourage people having them, the birth rate is through the floor. So even as an economical decision it really makes sense lifting the cap for the long term, but it will take a long time to play/ pay out. Can people look 20-30 years ahead though? It would be a good investment, and the pensioners need these kids to be working and paying tax, to fund their pensions. Nobody has paid into a public pension pot all their life which they take money out of, that's not how it works, it's not like a private pension. The current pensioners are funded by the current workers, if we have less workers there's less going into the pot. When pensioners were working they were funding the pensions of those older than them etc.
 
Was a guy on fb last night asking what labour have ever delivered for the UK. When given an extensive list he came back with what Ben had "delivered" and when I gave some facts about those he said I was typical labour, moaning about everything unless my "lot" had delivered it. No response about PPE scandals, party gate, breaching cuts, thatchers impact on the north, eat out to help out and so on - all mentioned because he kept saying people round here have "very short memories" lol.

You should have used that massive long list image that was going round on twitter, might have saved you some time writing!

His repones sounds like the flat earthers when you ask them to prove how their flat earth model works 😆 All they know is deflection, and they won't acknowledge their failures.
 
Far too early to form an opinion either way. Also need to define what success is measured against. As others have pointed out, being better than the Tories is a very low bar.

The two child cap is going to be an interesting first challenge that will give s good indication of how the parliamentary term might go.

He isn't going to want a large rebellion but he (and his Chancellor) have made to too many statements about keeping it that I think he'll find it difficult to roll back on.

Best thing to do would be to set up an independent commission and then make a big song and dance about letting the experts direct policy decision rather than the media.

I can understand some will have an issue with the two child benefit cap, but can see points for this from all sides, and they need to find a balance somehow, maybe the two child limit is balance? How many go on to have a third kid when they already have two on benefits?

People will say "Why are people having three or more kids when they can't afford one or two kids?", and I find it fairly difficult to disagree with this as a basic principle. Times are desperate, people shouldn't be committing to things they cannot afford until they're/ we're in a better position. Where is the extra money coming from to pay out more benefits?

Of course it's not the kids fault they're being pushed into effective poverty either though, of course not, but I don't believe the parents should come out better off due to it. The money has to 100% go to the kids, but I've no idea whether this actually happens or not.

For me, I think we should fund lifting the two child benefit cap, and fund it by removing the triple lock on pensions, but also by means testing the pension, give the poor more, and the richer less or nil. The money has to come from the richest generation, to fund the poorest I think. The result of this would likely mean I never get a state pension myself (I don't think I will anyway, regardless of this), and I won't feel any benefit or removing the two child benefit cap as I don't have or want kids, but I'm not bothered, people will likely need it a lot more than me.

Removing the triple lock or means testing the pension will lose Labour loads of older votes though, but if they're going to do that, now is the time, they don't want to be doing it near an election etc. It looks like they've decided not to do this though, but maybe they will look at that next term if they get in.

The UK needs kids though, and really needs to encourage people having them, the birth rate is through the floor. So even as an economical decision it really makes sense lifting the cap for the long term, but it will take a long time to play/ pay out. Can people look 20-30 years ahead though? It would be a good investment, and the pensioners need these kids to be working and paying tax, to fund their pensions. Nobody has paid into a public pension pot all their life which they take money out of, that's not how it works, it's not like a private pension. The current pensioners are funded by the current workers, if we have less workers there's less going into the pot. When pensioners were working they were funding the pensions of those older than them etc
Quite the wall of text to say "it's complicated" :ROFLMAO:

There are so many social and economic things tied up together that it needs a strong leader to say there are no simple and short term solutions.

The priority should be ensuring no child faces poverty (on a UK definition).
 
Quite the wall of text to say "it's complicated" :ROFLMAO:

There are so many social and economic things tied up together that it needs a strong leader to say there are no simple and short term solutions.

The priority should be ensuring no child faces poverty (on a UK definition).

Haha, yeah! 😆

There are lots of things which need sorting out, but as we're pretty skint there is going to need to be some cuts somewhere or some rebalancing.

I get why they're pushing for growth to bring more cash into the coffers, possibly easier to do that and satisfy more, than just robbing Peter to pay Paul etc.

It's tough, as if you just start to jack up taxes or take from pensioners (both the simple option) it's a vote killer from the centre or the old, and they need to stay in power 2-3 terms to make a big difference.
 
I think it's the wrong question personally.
The question should be how is the Government doing and I would say it's doing reasonably well.
Key Ministers have all got a grip on their brief and I'm particularly impressed with Bridget Phillipson as the SoS for Education and Minister for Women and Equalities.
Starmer's off re-building bridges with our closest allies and looking more assured each day.
Tories are making themselves look stupid in Parliament.
The Greens are suddenly finding out what it's like to have more than one MP.
And Reform is just .......... Reform really. Its leader jetting off to the States uninvited for a photo opportunity that didn't happen.
But I've always said that the proof of an effective Government will be in the quality of bills brought to the House and I'm generally happy with the contents of the King's Speech so we'll see how things progress.
As others have mentioned the pressure for the Child Benefit Cap to be lifted will increase in the short term and I can see an accommodation coming. Not a complete lifting of the cap but maybe a relaxation from two children to three.
 
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I think it's the wrong question personally.
The question should be how is the Government doing and I would say it's doing reasonably well.
Key Ministers have all got a grip on their brief and I'm particularly impressed with Bridget Phillipson as the SoS for Education and Minister for Women and Equalities.
Starmer's off re-building bridges with our closest allies and looking more assured each day.
Tories are making themselves look stupid in Parliament.
The Greens are suddenly finding out what it's like to have more than one MP.
And Reform is just .......... Reform really. It's leader jetting off to the States uninvited for a photo opportunity that didn't happen.
But I've always said that the proof of an effective Government will be the quality of bills brought to the House and I'm generally happy with the contents of the King's Speech so we'll see how things progress.
As others have mentioned the pressure for the Child Benefit Cap to be lifted will increase in the short term and I can see an accommodation coming. Not a complete lifting of the cap but maybe a relaxation from two children to three.
I think Starmer has looked much more comfortable as PM than as LOTO. He's put the Ming vase down and started to relax a little. The King's speech was an encouraging start. Let's hope Labour keeps it up. I say this as a long-term Starmer critic, primarily over Israel.
 
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