I am not blaming anybody in particular ST. Just pointing out that threads, particularly political ones, always seem to go off track, and you always seem to be either the target or the shooter. I have seen you get some stick and I have seen you give some stick. A case of give and take I suppose. but whatever it is, it always seem to hijack threads of interest (or not) on politics on this board. Once I see you, and others, dishing out stick to each other, whether you call it it abuse or not, turns me away from the thread. You are all as bad as each other.