I wonder if any more Tory MP's will have the courage to admit

And the masses will lap it up. Again. Continuing as they do to vote against their own interests.
Even though I have a lot of time for Rishi, I've spoken to him previously a few times over the years, he's a really nice guy, I can't see the conservatives winning the next election. Look at the way they've handled austerity, the pandemic etc. The next election will shock a lot of people.
 
Even though I have a lot of time for Rishi, I've spoken to him previously a few times over the years, he's a really nice guy, I can't see the conservatives winning the next election. Look at the way they've handled austerity, the pandemic etc. The next election will shock a lot of people.

Sunak is a lot of things. Nice guy definitely isn’t one of them.
 
Sunak is a lot of things. Nice guy definitely isn’t one of them.
Don't get it twisted I'll never vote for him because of the party he represents but as I mentioned I've spoken to him on a personal level a few times over the years and haven't bad word to say about him on a non political sense.
 
Don't get it twisted I'll never vote for him because of the party he represents but as I mentioned I've spoken to him on a personal level a few times over the years and haven't bad word to say about him on a non political sense.
I got what you meant. Being personable and charming isn’t the same thing as him being a nice guy. He’s deeply unpleasant.
 
I got what you meant. Being personable and charming isn’t the same thing as him being a nice guy. He’s deeply unpleasant.
Charming? That makes it sound as if you think I've been blinkered by it. As is said, leaving politics out of the equation (also bearing in mind the times I've spoken to him that subject was never spoken about) he was sound to talk to.
 
You’re going to have to back this up Ad, Randy just said he was ok when he met him.
He can't because as much as I agree with his hatred of everything Tory (they've ****ed me over more times than I care to remember) the man himself is alright.

If he wore a red tie and rosette he'd be deemed as the second coming of the baby Jesus on here, especially if Labour were in charge during these weird pandemic times and Labour saved hundreds of thousands of jobs with the job retention scheme (the only thing the Tories have got right in 18 months).
 
Charming? That makes it sound as if you think I've been blinkered by it. As is said, leaving politics out of the equation (also bearing in mind the times I've spoken to him that subject was never spoken about) he was sound to talk to.

No, not that you’ve been blinkered by him simply that being charming and likeable does not mean he’s a decent person. He isn’t as has clearly been demonstrated by his actions.


He can't because as much as I agree with his hatred of everything Tory (they've ****ed me over more times than I care to remember) the man himself is alright.

If he wore a red tie and rosette he'd be deemed as the second coming of the baby Jesus on here, especially if Labour were in charge during these weird pandemic times and Labour saved hundreds of thousands of jobs with the job retention scheme (the only thing the Tories have got right in 18 months).

This is just utter nonsense. You’re confusing someone being able to be pleasant and charming in a one to one with a voting member of the public with being a decent person. Look at his actions, listen to his private words during the pandemic for his true character. It has precisely nothing to do with him being a Tory.
 
How many of those occupational pensions that were offered in the 70's and 80's have continued running to the present day, yes for those in the public sector but many private companies stopped them as they were far too costly, and of course many funds were underfunded or some sadly robbed ( mirror group employees) by the likes of Maxwell.
I did read an article once about pensions and the cost of the rises awarded by the MP's to themselves (who have a very generous pension scheme) stating to provide a pre-tax pension of £35K a year, the pension fund needs to be at least £750K given average life expectancy. That fund level not put in place by the contribution from the employee and the employer, hence those schemes stopped.
I like many, have 5 different schemes in place due to changing roles during my working life, it could have been 11, some companies I never joined their schemes (big mistake) 13 years missed and only state system paid into. Anyone who is approaching retirement in the next 5-10 years if they only have the state scheme then they are in a poor place, but this started about those on benefits not pensions. I started about 5 years ago ramping up my contributions, and have just under 5 to go all being well till retirement, but have to cut back spending now to ensure income in retirement is OK.
A £750K pension pot is pretty big. Taken as a SIPP, that would be a very tidy sum for most people. Remember that in retirement, you have much lower outgoings, with the mortgage paid off and the kids gone etc.

£750K taken as an annuity is not so great (probably) but most people do have pension freedom these days, however hard it is to get the money released.
 
No, not that you’ve been blinkered by him simply that being charming and likeable does not mean he’s a decent person. He isn’t as has clearly been demonstrated by his actions.




This is just utter nonsense. You’re confusing someone being able to be pleasant and charming in a one to one with a voting member of the public with being a decent person. Look at his actions, listen to his private words during the pandemic for his true character. It has precisely nothing to do with him being a Tory.
Fred West was a hell of a builder they say.... so if we leave the mass muderer chit chat aside.....
 
That’s the problem isn’t it? The got Brexit dun crowd seem to be strengthening their resolve the worse it becomes. It’s something I really can’t understand. Why are people so afraid of admitting mistakes that they have to get ever more vocal and desperate to defend them?
Yet you voted them
You are these people.
 
Personal debt creation is a massive driver in Conservative policy and has been since Thatcher and Reagan espousal of Friedmanism to create the mechanics of neo-feudalism.

The selling off of council houses was merely a device to get people into debt and the subsequent booms and boosts of capitalism, the lack of social housing, and the ease in which credit has become easily available to more and more people are all parts of the process.
Selling social housing was and is one of the greatest shame of domestic policy in my lifetime.

I am a Blairite. He should have stopped it.
 
Yes. I really have dug in with my support of Brexit 🤣 . This is almost as crazy a post as your stream of anti Lewi Hamilton abuse.
And yet you voted for it

not only did you vote for brexit

you voted for this hard Tory insane brexit.

so thanks for that



Boris Johnson has said that all Tory parliamentary candidates have committed to vote for his Brexit deal if he wins a majority at the general election.
In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister said this pledge means that voters can be “100%” certain that a Conservative government will “unblock” parliament and deliver Brexit.
 
Corruption and cronyism like this? Its like Bozo putting dracula in charge of the blood bank

BORIS Johnson faces fresh accusations of cronyism after it emerged an old Bullingdon Club pal was picked from 173 applicants for a sleaze watchdog role.

Former lawyer Ewen Fergusson has landed a five-year term on the Committee on Standards in Public Life, which monitors ministers’ conduct and ethics in government.

Labour called it an “utter joke” as the huge number of rival applicants was revealed in an answer to a parliamentary question yesterday.

Deputy leader Angela Rayner said: “Being Boris Johnson’s chum does not qualify you to sit on the watchdog that’s supposed to crack down on sleaze and cronyism. In fact, it should disqualify you.

“Instead of the PM appointing his mates to committees we need a fully independent integrity and ethics commission to stamp out the rampant sleaze and cronyism that has polluted our democracy.”

Former committee chairman Alistair Graham said he was “surprised that out of a massive pool of candidates he turned out to be supposedly the best person for the job”. He added: “It throws up a lot of question marks about the appointments process.”

Mr Fergusson, seen with Mr Johnson and David Cameron in the famous 1987 snap of the elite Oxford University dining club, can claim up to £240 per day in expenses while serving on the eight-person committee, chaired by ex-M15 boss Lord Evans. It recently recommended a five-year ban on lobbying by former ministers in the wake of the Greensill scandal.

The Cabinet Office defended the appointment of Mr Fergusson, a former partner at law firm Herbert Smith Freehills, saying the process was an “open and fair competition”.
 
And yet you voted for it

not only did you vote for brexit

you voted for this hard Tory insane brexit.

so thanks for that



Boris Johnson has said that all Tory parliamentary candidates have committed to vote for his Brexit deal if he wins a majority at the general election.
In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister said this pledge means that voters can be “100%” certain that a Conservative government will “unblock” parliament and deliver Brexit.
Sigh, I'm tired of explaining this. I guess some people just want to insult.


Also you seem to be ignoring quite a few salient point in my initial post. Which is bad for you.

Also, thanks to our FPTP system my vote didn't actually count for anything, But hey, get angry with me if it helps. Leave the Rabid brexiters alone. It's a cowardly approach as those are the guys that get angry but I guess you're one of the people for whom personal attacks are more important than political debate.
 
Not about insulting it’s about you being obsessed and criticising all those for DOING what you did.
You voted for a hard brexit I’m not sure why you can’t grasp that.

Tory under bojo = brexit

I’ve even included his quote saying exactly that and yet you voted for them.
 
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