If it wasn’t for the poor

1finny

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This country would be great …….

The Daily Mail doing what they do best - driving division and appealing to the selfish.
Also, of course, supporting Zahawi

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Some working people need their incomes topped up as their jobs don’t pay enough.

A couple of years ago, Wurzel was promising a high wage / high growth economy (which we knew was BS).

Now we have workers striking because they aren’t being paid enough, but a lot of the media portray them and Union leaders as Enemies of the people.

The government argument for not raising wages in our public services is that it will further add to inflationary issues. So we’re back at the start of the cycle. Don’t pay people enough, they need more help from the state.

So what’s the plan? It wouldn’t seem there isn’t one. This Government just stumbles from one problem to the next, spewing out whatever sound bite fits the narrative.

No Cohesion, No Plan. Easy to get away with when you’re in the pockets of The Daily Mail and other trash of their ilk.
 
With a photo of a man who was on the cadge for decor and furnishings while living in a taxpayer funded flat.

And of course they have completely forgotten about the raft of other taxes which British people pay on all manner of things. VAT is routinely left out of these 'calculations.' Someone buying a new Lamborghini Urus will pay more VAT in one swoop than a lot of people will pay in income tax for years.
 
I suppose their readers are also too stupid to work out they are in the 53% - and The Daily Mail know that.

Pensioners 😂
Indeed I suspect most of the Daily Mail pensioner readership are in receipt of private pensions but topped up by the state pension. Would they be happy to give that up? Not likely.
 
I'm gobsmacked at that.

50% of households require state support and THAT is their take on it. Utterly disgusting.
I read that exactly the same as you, it's more of a slant on how the Tories have mismanaged the country whilst in government than people wanting to live off handouts - Something they did promise to reduce when they first came into office.
 
I read that exactly the same as you, it's more of a slant on how the Tories have mismanaged the country whilst in government than people wanting to live off handouts - Something they did promise to reduce when they first came into office.

I agree - but, we are being too forensic.
This is for the Daily Mail readership who will just see ‘SCROUNGERS”
 
This country would be great …….

The Daily Mail doing what they do best - driving division and appealing to the selfish.
Also, of course, supporting Zahawi

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What a horrendous headline, secondary headline and article.

Maybe if they paid the lowest earners more, supported them more so they could work or had a health system which helped them be fit enough to work, then this would not be the case. They would earn more, and spend it, so they pay more tax on earnings. This way more money changes hands, more often, and gets taxed again and again, and everyone lower level is better off, and the top notice zero difference.

A lot (but not all) of the very wealthy make money by exploiting the lowest paid, or gain it from someone who did. The ones who don't exploit, are the ones who don't mind paying the tax, most of them were once in a much less fortunate position themselves. The only ones who hate it, are the ones who have never been there.

Interesting that they intentionally don't mention that a lot of old/ rich pensioners, who don't have to work are probably included in these figures. The reason they're not mentioned is that they're core voters for the side these rags support.

If the top 1% didn't dodge tax, non-dom status was removed and we actually taxed massive companies moving money offshore, then the next top 9% wouldn't have to pay as much, maybe tell them that?

To get in the top 10% you "only" need to earn 60k, these people are well off, but not stinking rich, and probably still rely on state healthcare and the likes. They're not so much the problem, it's the top 2%, Top 1% and top 0.1% etc. Only the top 5% probably get any value by voting Tory, yet the tories and these rags like to pretend that it's anyone earning over 30k.

What is interesting is that 60% earn less than 30k, and 80% less than 40k. Makes you wonder why the Tories get so many votes, oh, that's it, it's these rags trying to bend people's minds who might not have the best grasp on numbers, or those who don't look at the detail.
 
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There seems to be a huge elephant in the room whereby if people were paid more, they wouldn't need benefits. And if they are paid more, they pay more tax and NI so this goes back into the government's coffers. Increased tax+reduced dependency on the Welfare State = win/win.

But the Tory-greedy-barsteward mentality, formed over generations, is that workers need to be paid next to nothing so that profits/shareholder dividends are maximised whatever cost. The neoliberal wet dream. Individual hoarded offshore wealth is the ultimate goal - however they can.

Until these people, the obscenely wealthy, stop thinking like this (😂😂😂) the wheels will continue to turn the same way. Or they are stopped thinking this way.........
 
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There seems to be a huge elephant in the room whereby if people were paid more, they wouldn't need benefits. And if they are paid more, they pay more tax and NI so this goes back into the government's coffers. Increased tax+reduced dependency on the Welfare State = win

But the Tory-greedy-barsteward mentality, formed over generations, is that workers need to be paid next to nothing so that profits/shareholder dividends are maximised whatever cost. The neoliberal wet dream. Individual hoarded offshore wealth is the dream.

Until these people, the obscenely wealthy, stop thinking like this (😂😂😂) the wheels will continue to turn the same way. Or they are stopped thinking this way.........
Exactly, the thing they always "forget to mention" is that if you give the people with next to no money, they spend it, which is better for them, the UK, jobs etc. The rich just hoard it, that money isn't moving around the system, being taxed each time it changes hands, it sits in an investment fund, making 10% (which comes from investing in big companies, who exploit and dodge tax).

If you pay the worse off more, It also means they have to rely on borrowing less. But, as this doesn't happen, and they are paid less, they have to borrow and pay higher rates of interest. They have to rely on payday loans, which can be 2000%, or 20% credit cards etc. They're also effectively paying a landlords buy to let mortgage (crap rate), or worse still, interest-only mortgage (these need to be banned on BTL's). Then if they can actually afford a mortgage it's one with a high LTV, so they're on crap rates on that too. Then their car is probably used, and used car finance is pretty much double that of new car finance.

The very rich (top 1%) usually are buying everything outright, no mortgage, only use a credit card to get air miles (and pay it off every month to pay zero interest).

The system is rigged to keep people poor, with no control whatsoever.

The top 1% would probably have easier lives, face much less wrath, not have fear of crime etc if the system was fairer, this would probably help them much, much more than an extra 20% in their account, especially when they won't ever use 90% of their account.
 
The enduring lie portraying the rich and mega rich as "wealth creators" when in reality they are "wealth hoarders" hoarding money in offshore bank accounts and dodging tax. They are the true leeches on society adding nothing not some poor nurses trying to feed their kids.
 
Can most of this rise in people getting more out than putting in not be covered prettty much by the rise in the percentage of pensioners vs working age pople over the last 23 years?
 
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