In praise of EV'S

I like to buy my cars outright. Although I'd like an EV (new, cool apart from evangelists who think there is only one option) I am concerned that the resale value of 1st generation EV's may be worse than a petrol equivalent (even though there is no future in petrol, the 2ndgen EV's might wipe the current crops value). From an ecological perspective I think the best option is to carry on buying 2nd hand petrol cars until the next gen EV's are here or have been replaced by Hydrogen fuel cells.

I guess I could hire purchase/lease an EV to offset the potential redundancy of 1st gen EV as was stated in a similar thread a couple of weeks ago but my mileage is erratic and rural and no garage so not the best guarantee for maintaining a vehicle in it's finest shape.
 
My Exige is a supercharged 3.5 litre V6 and sounds like nothing else on earth at full chat ( 2Bular sports exhaust and sports cat pipe with a SimplySportscars air filter ) , however i WILL be going full EV for our next utility vehicle . As long as i can buy petrol i will be keeping the V6 .
The big problem for the future ( for me ) is finding a viable propulsion unit to to pull my diesel motorhome
 
Little scenario made me chuckle today. One of the constant and misunderstood anti EV "arguments" is the inconvenience of charging. People, whether through misunderstanding or plain belligerence will argue hard and fast that refuelling and EV is worse than refuelling an ICE vehicle because it's different.

The other half was late for netball today and she asked if she could take my EV that had been happily refueling as we slept. It was because she didn't have time to refuel her diesel! It's like I said all along, it becomes more convenient to refuel an EV when you get used to it
Do you actually know this is a Boro football board. Match day as well. Not many people on here in fact you are in a group all on your own Who I would just like to tell to fek off somewhere else to express yur shyte
 
Last sentence is a good point. When people argue about refuelling ICE v EV the ICE defenders act as if it takes zero time to refuel an ICE. This isn't true. It's certainly quicker to "fill up" but here's the thing: you don't fill up an EV. And EV chargers tend to be where you're going anyway. Even at service stations filling up with fossil fuels necessitates a trip to another area. All of this adds time.
When you charge an EV you also don’t have to go into the petrol station shop to pay (waiting behind 15 people with baskets full of shopping). It all happens by magic at home whilst you have your feet up, drinking a riggwelter next to the fire.
 
What I don't like about EV's is the destruction caused mining the raw materials needed in batteries. All the equipment needed will be either diesel powered, or electricity potentially from coal powered power stations. Lithium is almost exclusively imported to Europe using diesel power cargo ships too.
 
What petrol stations are you all going to? I drive up, possibly but rarely wait behind a car then pay at pump and I'm gone in a couple of minutes.

I like EV's and will try and get one next change but to suggest that the charging time when you're out and about is just as convenient as a three minute diesel refill giving you another 600 miles range is idiotic.

Fully charged in the morning is an obvious benefit, cost to charge compared to a litre of hydrocarbons is an obvious benefit.

Stick with those positives rather than conning yourself that it takes a minimum of thirty minutes to get fuel, or a normal diesel road car only has just over 300 miles range.
 
WTF diesel has she got that she only gets 320 miles? My old Golf did 600 if you went steady.

My A4 Avant in town with everything switched on does 450 easily.
I was thinking the very same. My BM is good for 600+ miles on a 50l tank.
 
320m on a tank of diesel? What is she driving? Most people I know with diesels get significantly more that. I even get more than that from my petrol.
Yeah my 1.5 TSI Octavia does on average 450 miles off a tank of fuel costing £50 give or take a couple of quid. The engine does turn off two cylinders when cruising though.
 
I think you need to just start saying ‘range isn’t an issue’. ‘Range anxiety’ is definitely an issue for some people as they state it as a major factor in them not choosing to go EV yet. It’s only a matter of time before we hit the tipping point though, as tech improves and as more people realise they have nothing to feel anxious about.
You misunderstand. Range anxiety 8dnt an issue. It's just people think it is because makers of ICE vehicles have told you it is. You buy an EV and you have range anxiety for a week because you've been conditioned to think that way. You quickly realise it doesn't exist though. This is the problem. EV sales are being held back because of this propoganda
 
My petrol car does 10.9 miles per litre - it has a 45 litre tank - range should be around 490 miles.

Range tends to be not an issue with garages every 15 miles, unless you live in a very remote area.

I quite often do 250 miles without refilling. In a EV I would want the guaranteed same. The long range TESLA can give this but its around £48,000 to buy new - while my car was around £9,000 to buy brand new. I can understand I am not quite a normal driver who many never drive 250 miles in a day.

I read this money that copper is the metal of the future, because an average EV uses 80kg of copper per car compared with 22kg for a petrol car. Thats going to put some pressure on copper production and the Earth.
Instead of quoting one of the most expensive cars with a 300 mile range why don't you quote one of the cheapest. Unless you're exaggerating to try and prove something.
 
My Exige is a supercharged 3.5 litre V6 and sounds like nothing else on earth at full chat ( 2Bular sports exhaust and sports cat pipe with a SimplySportscars air filter ) , however i WILL be going full EV for our next utility vehicle . As long as i can buy petrol i will be keeping the V6 .
The big problem for the future ( for me ) is finding a viable propulsion unit to to pull my diesel motorhome
Electric. EV's can tow and trucks can have electric drivetrains
 
Electric. EV's can tow and trucks can have electric drivetrains
It’s the range malarkey , in the MH we are used to 500 miles range on diesel , 2.2 turbo diesel pulling 3.5 tonnes , dont think they are available yet in an EV version !
 
It’s the range malarkey , in the MH we are used to 500 miles range on diesel , 2.2 turbo diesel pulling 3.5 tonnes , dont think they are available yet in an EV version !
Do you need that range though. How many times do you drive 500 miles without stopping?
 
We drive on the continent for 4 hours at a go at average of 50 miles an hour , there is no EV alternative that will give a 3.5 ton van a 200 mile range .
 
We drive on the continent for 4 hours at a go at average of 50 miles an hour , there is no EV alternative that will give a 3.5 ton van a 200 mile range .
So you've drastically reduced the range already. I agree though, until things like the Rivian and f150 lightning come out over here a decent EV tow car is rare
 
So you've drastically reduced the range already. I agree though, until things like the Rivian and f150 lightning come out over here a decent EV tow car is rare
There are, however commercial vehicles that can do that easy. Just a case of that tech moving to the private sector
 
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