In praise of EV'S

So you've drastically reduced the range already. I agree though, until things like the Rivian and f150 lightning come out over here a decent EV tow car is rare
That was as a minimum , we have in the past driven non stop ( with 5 min diesel top up ) from Perpignan to the tunnel .
 
When you charge an EV you also don’t have to go into the petrol station shop to pay (waiting behind 15 people with baskets full of shopping). It all happens by magic at home whilst you have your feet up, drinking a riggwelter next to the fire.
Pay at pump?

It's very easy to try and push negatives on things.
 
That was as a minimum , we have in the past driven non stop ( with 5 min diesel top up ) from Perpignan to the tunnel .
So you've stopped 😉

I got what you're saying and you're right, for your use case a diesel is absolutely a must.

Sorry I didn't mean to spend preachy or aggressive but I have so many conversations which start with "oh I must have a 600 mile range" and when I drill down into it virtually every time they don't need a 500 mile range, or they need it for one journey a year.

Hence why I tend to try and probe. Your case is clearly better for diesel. And, if I'm honest, it will be for years to come. Like I said the only things with that range and towing are commercial vehicles and the ludicrously expensive Mercedes EQS.

It'll be a long time before you can go electric
 
Pay at pump?

It's very easy to try and push negatives on things.
You still have to go somewhere you wouldn't normally be going. How much does that add to the journey? This is the point. Yes it's quicker to fully refuel an ICE but it's not zero time and your refuelling station isn't where you are going anyway so there are a few minutes lost getting there
 
You still have to go somewhere you wouldn't normally be going. How much does that add to the journey? This is the point. Yes it's quicker to fully refuel an ICE but it's not zero time and your refuelling station isn't where you are going anyway so there are a few minutes lost getting there
All I said was pay at pump is an option. I respect you ST but that was all I said in response to a frankly ridiculous post and I'm not sure why you feel the need to jump on and say all that.

I actually don't need to be enlightened on the subject. Thanks though.
 
If EV's are so convenient, why still have a diesel? I've noticed all the people I know that own EV's invariably have a fossil fuel based vehicle as an additional family vehicle.
 
If EV's are so convenient, why still have a diesel? I've noticed all the people I know that own EV's invariably have a fossil fuel based vehicle as an additional family vehicle.
You'll know me next year. We realised how convenient the EV was and the other half is selling her Juke. Hopefully getting an e-niro
 
All I said was pay at pump is an option. I respect you ST but that was all I said in response to a frankly ridiculous post and I'm not sure why you feel the need to jump on and say all that.

I actually don't need to be enlightened on the subject. Thanks though.
Because thays the usual argument. It's always how long it takes to fill up an EV and no mention of the time taken to fill an ICE. As if it took no time at all. Its does take time, and if you have a big tank quite a while. And often you do have to go and pay. The rest of the post was pointing out the other side of refuelling that no one is mentioning. The fact you gave to actively go to an ice refuelling station. More often than not, and hopefully in the future all the time, the EV refuelling station is at the place you wish to be. That's never factored in when talking about refuelling times.
 
I can see the advantages of EVs for people who have one as a business car and can always charge at home, say never drive more than 200 miles in day.

I am surprised that they so expensive to buy. We were told in the past it was because they were made in low volume, but that is not true in November 2021. Over 10% of new cars in the UK are EV and buyers get a £3k grant from the UK Government (for ones costing less than £35k?). Any one know why is this so?
 
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Depends on your taste of course but to use a sweeping statement such as "eyesore" when there's such a variety smacks of ignorance. Look at these and tell me what wrong with all of them?
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I can see the advantages of EVs for people who have one as a business car and can always charge at home, say never drive more than 200 miles in day.

I am surprised that they so expensive to buy. We were told in the past ot was because they were made in low volume, but that is not true in November 2021. Over 10% of new cars in the UK are EV and buyers get a £3k grant from the UK Government (for ones costing les than £35k?). Any one know why is this so?
Because you're lying?

The EV are expensive thing is becoming a lie. I suspect you know this.
 
Because you're lying?

The EV are expensive thing is becoming a lie. I suspect you know this.
ST - I don't lie and take offence that you call me a liar. The purchase price of EVs is more expensive and I can tell you I suspect no different.

Why is the price of EVs not dropping with the increase in production volumes?

Can we stick to facts on the price of EVs rather than name calling.
 
320m on a tank of diesel? What is she driving? Most people I know with diesels get significantly more that. I even get more than that from my petrol.
To put forward the other side, my car does about 240 on a full tank of petrol. My Vectra diesel though did about 800 on one tank if you take it steady.
 
At what point does an EV become more environmentally friendly / responsible (I don't know correct term for it, but it's probably a measure of carbon) than an equivalent ICE?

I'm sure I read recently that it was around 70k miles, but that was one article.

Consideration of manufacturing and running the vehicle needs to be taken into account.
 
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