ITV confirmation Number Ten partied whilst the rest of us locked down.

I said on the earlier thread that someone would be thrown under the bus, here she is.
Had the majority of decent folk behaved like this our death toll would have been many times worse.
The Tories should be unelectable and yet I fear they are just a reflection of the ugly side of the nation.
 
Laughing said:
Chris you really needed to address that point by point. Schools for example, why were they shut? What did that achieve, to this day, most are still unvaccinated.
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They have already been addressed in many threads, many times. Lockdown saved lives, this government screwed up many many times over which contributed to many failures and problems as a result of it, not because of it.

Schools could not remain fully open at a time of minimal mass testing and no vaccine to stop the spread.
 
Chris_Boro said:
They have already been addressed in many threads, many times. Lockdown saved lives, this government screwed up many many times over which contributed to many failures and problems as a result of it, not because of it.

Schools could not remain fully open at a time of minimal mass testing and no vaccine to stop the spread.
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Yeah I can't agree with this viewpoint about schools I am afraid. No vaccinations in my daughters middle school, increased infections and it hasn't really affected the overall outcome. Whilst people dying is awful and heart wrenching, denying children a childhood is worse, in my opinion, of course. The average age of the people who have died is quiet old, and how many of those were directly, or indirectly infected by a child at school? Of couse we don't know.

As adults we can easily dismiss the long term, damaging effects, this pandemic has had on the people who will eventually be responsible for this planet, our kids. I have a 10 year old, and I could explain what it has done to children that my daughter knows. I could tell you how my daughter feels day to day. She is not dying, you are right, some of them feel as though they may as well be.

Let's not dismiss that.
 
Laughing said:
Yeah I can't agree with this viewpoint about schools I am afraid. No vaccinations in my daughters middle school, increased infections and it hasn't really affected the overall outcome. Whilst people dying is awful and heart wrenching, denying children a childhood is worse, in my opinion, of course. The average age of the people who have died is quiet old, and how many of those were directly, or indirectly infected by a child at school? Of couse we don't know.

As adults we can easily dismiss the long term, damaging effects, this pandemic has had on the people who will eventually be responsible for this planet, our kids. I have a 10 year old, and I could explain what it has done to children that my daughter knows. I could tell you how my daughter feels day to day. She is not dying, you are right, some of them feel as though they may as well be.

Let's not dismiss that.
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So in your opinion, schools at the hight of the pandemic at a time of no vaccinations or easily accessible mass testing, children should have still have been sent to school regardless?

Of course the lack of education and social interaction is something everyone would have wanted to avoid and the after effects of that should have much greater government response to help which was and still is pathetic.

Children were spreading the virus, parents were isolating, teachers and support staff were vulnerable and would never have let schools remain fully open under those circumstances.
 
The Card Cheat said:
Seriously? You’re trying to say that a relatively short period of time when kids had to learn and socialise remotely is worse than peoples Mams and Grandads dying?
My parents are 83 and 84, their lives are as valuable as anyone else’s on the planet.

Some of the excrement people come out with on here defies belief.
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I assume that was a reply to me Card Cheat? If that is so, then first of all, of course your parents lives are as valuable as anyone elses. We have, most of us, lost a parent. That isn't what I said. I wasn't comparing the value of a life. But, if we had to do that, then the years lost don't stack up. That is an unfortunate fact.

If we loose a generation of education, and that is where we are heading, how do we, as a species recover from that?

I get that this is emotive to you, but it's also emotive for we parents who have had to nurse our children through this pandemic and explain why they can't go to school, explain why they can't see their friends. My daughter had just turned 8 when this started, she is 10 now and still can't see a way through this. She believes her life is lost already.

Try and be a little bit empathetic for our children who don't understand what is going on.
 
newusername said:
I've no axe to grind for the Tories but this was just a practice session with staffers asking the press secretary questions so they can plan the answers for Johnson et al when it came to the real thing.

The only people that would have access to that practice records are Downing Street 'insiders'.

Someone really wants to cause maximum damage to the government. Brilliant!
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Somebody in Downing St with an ounce of moral courage. Hard to believe I know.
 
Chris_Boro said:
So in your opinion, schools at the hight of the pandemic at a time of no vaccinations or easily accessible mass testing, children should have still have been sent to school regardless?

Of course the lack of education and social interaction is something everyone would have wanted to avoid and the after effects of that should have much greater government response to help which was and still is pathetic.

Children were spreading the virus, parents were isolating, teachers and support staff were vulnerable and would never have let schools remain fully open under those circumstances.
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See my response to Card Cheat Chris.

State schools were locked down, public schools not, which wasn't entirely my point, but was one of the issues Randy was alluding to. There is no addressing that. The issue here is we all accept, readily, those restrictions, which don't impact us on a day to day basis, and forget those that it does.

Take it from me, and other parents I and my wife speak to, the effect of school closures and home based education is devastating on them in ways the recognize, and more importantly in ways they do not yet realise.
 
Hopefully two good things will come out of this, it will bring this corrupt cabal of rats down and any thoughts of future lockdowns/restrictions will be completely untenable
 
Laughing said:
See my response to Card Cheat Chris.

State schools were locked down, public schools not, which wasn't entirely my point, but was one of the issues Randy was alluding to. There is no addressing that. The issue here is we all accept, readily, those restrictions, which don't impact us on a day to day basis, and forget those that it does.

Take it from me, and other parents I and my wife speak to, the effect of school closures and home based education is devastating on them in ways the recognize, and more importantly in ways they do not yet realise.
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Public schools should not have remained open, that does not mean shutting state schools was wrong. (They weren't fully closed).

You're suggesting it was possible for schools to remain fully open at that time, it just wasn't for many many reasons that you're not looking at.

Millions of children would have not been able to attend for various reasons, parents isolating or unable to use support networks they rely on to take/pick up children in school etc.

More fundamentally teachers and support staff would not have been able to remain in sufficient numbers to safely operate a fully open school, it would have been chaos with some shut, some open or half open with the schools left to fend for themselves.

I also have children, and my son did not want to go because he feared passing the virus to me as I was shielding. There are two sides to this coin and the effect on children are not universal.
 
relfyoftheboro said:
We should all be asking ourselves why this has come out now? Why, after a full year and with the full knowledge of a number of journalists is this only coming to light now?
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This needs to be asked. Otherwise we are just in an endless cycle of stories been 'leaked' and the general public just being manipulated into outrage. Matt Hancock was more strongly for keeping restrictions in place, he got ousted. Now we are in a possible run up to restrictions again, out comes this story guess what? There isn't a chance restrictions will come in again after this, somebody somewhere has achieved the goal they wanted both times. There is a bigger picture but we just end throwing all our vitriol and frustration at the present incumbents and the possible placing of restrictions again.
 
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