Ivan Toney on taking the knee...

Knowing him, something simplistic which doesn’t do anything to attack the root cause

"knowing him" - that's just it you don't know me. But nice of you to go down the derogatory route which the fella below said isn't your style. Ironic really.

You just can't stand people disagreeing with you ST. It's a message board people are going to have different opinions. You seem to dislike people that don't share your beliefs be it electric cars or taking the knee or anything in between.
 
I would at taking the knee has done more to draw the spotlight to continuing racism both within sport and the wider society, on its own it won't go far but there's no doubt its brought the issue to a wider attention and kept it there.
Theres a need for more "robust " action and if that does happen then the BLM protest should be credited as a catalyst.
Sad that some people seem to be more outraged at those kneeling than the continuing racism

But the spotlight changes nothing and there is no plan that I'm aware of to develop up on the taking of the knee.

Do they just keep taking the knee forever with no action actually taking place?

Let's face it gestures aren't going to change this situation... As more players are now pointing out.
 
The fact that these players are taking publicly about it, and the fact its continuing proves its kept it in the spotlight and therefore more likely to activate debate and change,
They seem to be saying this alone isn't working we need more action, but without the kneeling would the conversation be even happening?
 
Do you not read?

I've said work need to be carried out to seek out the perpetrators and deal with them robustly... That should include working with the social media organisations (who should be made to fund this) and also as mentioned by others a potential social media "black out" with the stars removing their accounts.

I'm not an expert in this field so sadly I can't provide a blow by blow account of what should happen which I think is what you're angling at so that you can then sit and pull it to pieces.

But if you agree that taking the knee and simply talking about it is changing anything then you're mistaken.
The issue is far deeper embedded in our society than just that, for a start we have a prime minister that is openly a casual racist, what kind of example does this set to the rest of the country that racism isnt ok? Brexit has also given these people a platform to push their politics that do nothing other than create a huge racial divide between everyone. Plus the media will push stuff out to an audience of millions on a daily basis that does nothing but cause further racial tension.

No surprise that we still see racism every day, its absolutely rife in our society and whilst all of this is happening, nothing will ever change. Certainly banning the odd person from social media for a racist comment will do nothing, when you have the likes of Farage pushing his racist narrative to millions of followers every day.
 
Also I don't think you can really accuse Small Town of being in a school bully style gang on here. He actually is often on his own defending his take on things.
Ah it’s ok. Chris only comes on here to cause arguments. He even stated as much last week in a thread. I find that behaviour sad and a little needy but each to his own. It’s best to not rise to it really.
 
Those debates stem from seeing people write the opposite on here. People saying we're still on for the top two etc. Am I not allowed to disagree with that?

I think you may have missed a certain amount of tongue in cheek on the thread about boro finishing the season top 2.
 
Ah it’s ok. Chris only comes on here to cause arguments. He even stated as much last week in a thread. I find that behaviour sad and a little needy but each to his own. It’s best to not rise to it really.

Well I didn't state that did I 🤦🏽‍♂️ but you twist it that way to suit you.
 
On topic, what I think is quite good about the knee taking gesture is just showing racists that not everyone agrees with them. I get the feeling a lot of racist folk have this sense that they're saying something everyone else secretly thinks but is too afraid to articulate. So hopefully them seeing lots of people, earnestly and repeatedly demonstrating that they don't have the same attitudes will make them realise they're in a minority position.
 
Oh look here's small-town... Can talk on here but couldn't find a suitable car on his thread zzzz.

If posting things and having an opinion on them causes debate then is that not what a message board is about. You all just love back slapping on here and love everyone to agree with you.

Same gang all the time backing each other up like the school bullies used to.

Thankfully I can have an opinion and not need to follow the crowd unlike some one here.

And as for writing "this" under a post... Jesus wept how old are you.
Go have a sit down and count to 10
 
When you've got high profile black footballers saying taking a knee is degrading, is achieving nothing, and has now become a gesture, I suggest you ask them what they propose rather than a bunch of middle aged white blokes on a football message board
And others in favour of it, my family members who are black have applauded the gesture as a sign of solidarity, not surprsing different people have different opinions .
If those high profile players come on fmttm I might ask them too.
How do you know Chris is a middle aged white bloke anyway?
 
When you've got high profile black footballers saying taking a knee is degrading, is achieving nothing, and has now become a gesture, I suggest you ask them what they propose rather than a bunch of middle aged white blokes on a football message board
They aren’t the problem though are they. Middle aged white blokes are
 
I don’t understand why it ever bothered anyone, like people genuinely got angry over some footballers taking the knee to raise awareness. The way I see it is if footballers want to take the knee then I totally back them on that, if black footballers decide that they no longer want to take the knee then we have to support that decision also. I think in this situation the white footballers/people need to stand in solidarity with black footballers and do what they want to do. I had absolutely zero issues with Boro no longer taking the knee as it was Britt that came to that decision as the captain of the team and articulated his reasons as to why.

I’ve just never understood why it bothered people in the first place.
 
Oh he's definitely in his own gang.

Still love you though @SmallTown 💙😉
I don't actually. I don't have any allies on here and that's fine by me.

It's funny how people who bully (such as someone on this very thread who admitted they deliberately posted to goad me a week ago) then assume they are being bullied when someone responds them negatively. It shows a weak character
 
I don't actually. I don't have any allies on here and that's fine by me.

It's funny how people who bully (such as someone on this very thread who admitted they deliberately posted to goad me a week ago) then assume they are being bullied when someone responds them negatively. It shows a weak character

Haha show me a post where I have said that then please.
 
How do you know Chris is a middle aged white bloke anyway?
Oh just a wild stab in the dark
And others in favour of it, my family members who are black have applauded the gesture as a sign of solidarity
...... and some of my black friends think it's condescending and pathetic, but who am I, or you, to judge or pontificate / virtue signal ?
 
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