Joshua Usyk

Alzi

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Predictions? Close points win for Joshua I think. Usyks style won’t be easy for him.
 

Heam44

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Looking forward to this. Anything could happen but I’ll go - AJ to stop him between rounds 8-11.
 

KDG

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Usyk's heavyweight fights so far have not been all that impressive, however, he is a very skillful and awkward fighter.

He has gained a lot more size for this so it will be interesting to see if his power has improved or been affected by this and whether he can sustain a Joshua shot.

I expect a cautious Joshua again like his rematch with Ruiz which may suit Usyk providing he can get through - I think Usyk's skill is far better than Joshua's movement.

With that said, a lot of if's and buts so im going for a points win for Joshua
 

HiredGun123

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I fancy Usyk in it.

Too many people focus on the Chisora fight, saying Usyk hasn’t got the physical presence. Well, Joshua isn’t a come forward pressure fighter like Chisora who is going to swarm you and get right up close. AJ would gas if he even tried that, he’s not built for it.

AJ’s style gives you more room to work which will lead itself into more of a boxing match, which obviously Usyk would want anyway and Is the more fluid boxer. Then if that’s the case, there’s a good chance Usyk could make AJ work at a rate he’s not comfortable with, which is usually not ideal for the bigger man.

I also don’t think size is going to be as big a factor as people think. Usyk spent years sparring big heavyweights like Klitschko, plus he fought super heavyweights in the WSB before turning over as pro. While those are not world title pro boxing fights, the size is not going to be alien to him at all. Plus he’s not a small man. So due to the styles and AJ being more of a boxer than pressure fighter, I see the size not playing a huge role. Also AJ’s reach advantage isn’t much bigger than Usyk, which might be totally nullified anyway by the end way Usyk can move in and out with his feet. So AJ can’t just keep it long as the bigger man so easily too.

The early part of the fight will be interesting I think. I believe if AJ can’t land something significant early and stop Usyk getting into a rhythm, then I believe it starts favouring Usyk. I think styles make fights and I think AJ starts coming apart after 6 or 7 rounds and gets stopped after 8 or 9. I think he’ll be frustrated and start forcing the issue, which is exactly what Usyk will want.

Of course, we haven’t seen Usyk take a shot from a good puncher at heavyweight. It only takes one shot by any heavyweight in the right spot.
 

SilentProf

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I think it will be a good fight. Joshua is favourite for me but if Usyk can avoid the big shots and take it into the later rounds, he’s got a good chance. He will be awkward for Joshua. I think he’ll try to frustrate him and make him miss for the first few rounds then test his stamina in the middle to later rounds. Joshua tends to burn himself out for a couple of rounds with sustained effort to finish a fight and that could be Usyk’s chance to get him out.
 

Humpty

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Great analysis this...whilst i didn't have this level of technical analysis in my locker, i haven't fancied Joshua in against Usyk ever since the bout was made. I think Joshua's ring IQ and technical ability is over rated and Usyk will pick him apart.

I fancy Usyk in it.

Too many people focus on the Chisora fight, saying Usyk hasn’t got the physical presence. Well, Joshua isn’t a come forward pressure fighter like Chisora who is going to swarm you and get right up close. AJ would gas if he even tried that, he’s not built for it.

AJ’s style gives you more room to work which will lead itself into more of a boxing match, which obviously Usyk would want anyway and Is the more fluid boxer. Then if that’s the case, there’s a good chance Usyk could make AJ work at a rate he’s not comfortable with, which is usually not ideal for the bigger man.

I also don’t think size is going to be as big a factor as people think. Usyk spent years sparring big heavyweights like Klitschko, plus he fought super heavyweights in the WSB before turning over as pro. While those are not world title pro boxing fights, the size is not going to be alien to him at all. Plus he’s not a small man. So due to the styles and AJ being more of a boxer than pressure fighter, I see the size not playing a huge role. Also AJ’s reach advantage isn’t much bigger than Usyk, which might be totally nullified anyway by the end way Usyk can move in and out with his feet. So AJ can’t just keep it long as the bigger man so easily too.

The early part of the fight will be interesting I think. I believe if AJ can’t land something significant early and stop Usyk getting into a rhythm, then I believe it starts favouring Usyk. I think styles make fights and I think AJ starts coming apart after 6 or 7 rounds and gets stopped after 8 or 9. I think he’ll be frustrated and start forcing the issue, which is exactly what Usyk will want.

Of course, we haven’t seen Usyk take a shot from a good puncher at heavyweight. It only takes one shot by any heavyweight in the right spot.
 

Alzi

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I fancy Usyk in it.

Too many people focus on the Chisora fight, saying Usyk hasn’t got the physical presence. Well, Joshua isn’t a come forward pressure fighter like Chisora who is going to swarm you and get right up close. AJ would gas if he even tried that, he’s not built for it.

AJ’s style gives you more room to work which will lead itself into more of a boxing match, which obviously Usyk would want anyway and Is the more fluid boxer. Then if that’s the case, there’s a good chance Usyk could make AJ work at a rate he’s not comfortable with, which is usually not ideal for the bigger man.

I also don’t think size is going to be as big a factor as people think. Usyk spent years sparring big heavyweights like Klitschko, plus he fought super heavyweights in the WSB before turning over as pro. While those are not world title pro boxing fights, the size is not going to be alien to him at all. Plus he’s not a small man. So due to the styles and AJ being more of a boxer than pressure fighter, I see the size not playing a huge role. Also AJ’s reach advantage isn’t much bigger than Usyk, which might be totally nullified anyway by the end way Usyk can move in and out with his feet. So AJ can’t just keep it long as the bigger man so easily too.

The early part of the fight will be interesting I think. I believe if AJ can’t land something significant early and stop Usyk getting into a rhythm, then I believe it starts favouring Usyk. I think styles make fights and I think AJ starts coming apart after 6 or 7 rounds and gets stopped after 8 or 9. I think he’ll be frustrated and start forcing the issue, which is exactly what Usyk will want.

Of course, we haven’t seen Usyk take a shot from a good puncher at heavyweight. It only takes one shot by any heavyweight in the right spot.

I wonder if he approaches it like the 2nd Ruiz fight. Difficulty with that is Usyk isn't a fat mess and is very fast.
 

Low_Key

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i think joshua will edge it, points by 4/5 rounds at least or a late knockout if he can tire usyk enough.

then all we need is fury to spark out wilder and we might, just might, see fury/joshua! :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop::poop::poop::cool::cool::cool:
 

HiredGun123

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I wonder if he approaches it like the 2nd Ruiz fight. Difficulty with that is Usyk isn't a fat mess and is very fast.

It’s interesting, he could get stuck between styles. Usyk is a tricky customer, I think AJ needs a brilliant game plan against that level ring IQ and technical ability.
 

Steer

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Looking forward to this. I don't know enough about Usyk really. Obviously a great cruiser weight, but I'm not sure about heavyweight. Should be a good fight, but most people really wanted to see Fury - Joshua over this one.

I'm going for a Joshua win by KO in the lateish rounds, and then hopefully the permanently delayed fight that loads of people really want to see happens soon.
 

WeeGord

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I'll be down in London for the fight so really looking forward to it. As others have mentioned I think this is a really, really tricky task for Joshua. If he wins, and it's still a big if at this point, surely even some of the most anti-AJ posters on here have to recognise the achievement.

I know it's been done to the death but Joshua has a far superior record to Fury (and I'm a big Fury supporter) and Wilder. Add Usyk to that list and it's impossible to argue that he has a significantly better record than the others.

Fury said a few days ago that he'll never be beaten but while his record shows he has never lost, those who follow boxing know he should have lost his first fight with John McDermott and a lot of boxing fans recognise that. It was a very young Fury and he's hugely, hugely improved since then but he needs to think of that when he's rubbishing AJ losing to Ruiz. Ruiz is infinitely better than McDermott ever was and AJ was fighting much, much better opposition than Fury at the respective points in their careers.

It's rumoured that Usyk is coming in at a career heavy and looks to be trying to build his power. If he adds power and weight and doesn't lose any of his hand speed it could really spell trouble for Joshua. That said I always think the cliche is right that a good biggun beats a good littlun. Usky is technically superior to any heavyweight other than perhaps Fury but if he hasn't got the power to trouble AJ I think AJ wins. Cagey first 3 or 4 rounds then we'll know where it's going. If Usyk has stung AJ a couple of times we might see him retreat into his shell and give Usyk the opportunity of a points win; equally if AJ hasn't been hurt I can see him getting more on the front foot and really trying to take Usyk out and that extra weight might work against him if AJ is catching him with big shots.

It's an intriguing contest and I can see all outcomes - I favour Joshua around 60/40 but it really could go any way.
 

BoroMart

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AJ in 8 by TKO. Usyk struggled to avoid getting hit by Chisora, he would need a significant improvement in his defence not to get hurt by AJ who is stronger, faster and more skilled than Chisora. I know Usyk has bulked, and that might help keep AJ from pressing as hard as chisora tried, but if AJ puts any sort of pressure like that then Usyk will be in big trouble.

AJs problems will come if he is too passive, lets Usyk get into his rhythm early before putting any damage on him,
 

Alzi

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I'll be down in London for the fight so really looking forward to it. As others have mentioned I think this is a really, really tricky task for Joshua. If he wins, and it's still a big if at this point, surely even some of the most anti-AJ posters on here have to recognise the achievement.

I know it's been done to the death but Joshua has a far superior record to Fury (and I'm a big Fury supporter) and Wilder. Add Usyk to that list and it's impossible to argue that he has a significantly better record than the others.

Fury said a few days ago that he'll never be beaten but while his record shows he has never lost, those who follow boxing know he should have lost his first fight with John McDermott and a lot of boxing fans recognise that. It was a very young Fury and he's hugely, hugely improved since then but he needs to think of that when he's rubbishing AJ losing to Ruiz. Ruiz is infinitely better than McDermott ever was and AJ was fighting much, much better opposition than Fury at the respective points in their careers.

It's rumoured that Usyk is coming in at a career heavy and looks to be trying to build his power. If he adds power and weight and doesn't lose any of his hand speed it could really spell trouble for Joshua. That said I always think the cliche is right that a good biggun beats a good littlun. Usky is technically superior to any heavyweight other than perhaps Fury but if he hasn't got the power to trouble AJ I think AJ wins. Cagey first 3 or 4 rounds then we'll know where it's going. If Usyk has stung AJ a couple of times we might see him retreat into his shell and give Usyk the opportunity of a points win; equally if AJ hasn't been hurt I can see him getting more on the front foot and really trying to take Usyk out and that extra weight might work against him if AJ is catching him with big shots.

It's an intriguing contest and I can see all outcomes - I favour Joshua around 60/40 but it really could go any way.

Think the only way we're going to know the answer to the much debated Fury or Joshua question is if they both win their fights and we finally see them in the ring together. All just opinions till then!
 

WeeGord

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Think the only way we're going to know the answer to the much debated Fury or Joshua question is if they both win their fights and we finally see them in the ring together. All just opinions till then!
I agree and I'm probably in the minority as most tend to lean one way or another but I am a big fan of both AJ and Fury.

If Fury beats Wilder again and AJ manages to get past Usyk, it's the fight the whole world wants to see. And for me, it's genuinely a bona fide 50/50.
 
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