Labour Party exposee

exiledinboro

Well-known member
Ruthsayer “Interesting as we also saw moderate MP’s being de-selected and bullied by the extreme left wing.”

You’ve been asked twice now to name a single MP that YOU claim has been deselected so I’ll ask you a third time who was deselected?

I checked the record the last Labour MP who was deselected was in 2010 and called Anne Moffatt

The number of Labour MPs deselected under Jeremy Corbyn was zero


And now you’re saying there’s evidence of media articles backing up the bullying

You want to link them?
 

The Ruthsayer

Active member
Ruthsayer “Interesting as we also saw moderate MP’s being de-selected and bullied by the extreme left wing.”

You’ve been asked twice now to name a single MP that YOU claim has been deselected so I’ll ask you a third time who was deselected?

I checked the record the last Labour MP who was deselected was in 2010 and called Anne Moffatt

The number of Labour MPs deselected under Jeremy Corbyn was zero


And now you’re saying there’s evidence of media articles backing up the bullying

You want to link them?
I did link them above EIB. If you search you will find plenty of articles. I’ve cited my own experience above. Talking to the councillor, this was not an isolated incident.
I have also responded on the de-selection. Anger and the odd pint led to my error. No problem in admitting when I’m wrong.
JC, despite some errors (in my opinion) has immense integrity and I agreed with most of his policies, especially re-Nationalisation. Unfortunately, he was unable to control and shape his supporters. Just my take on stuff having watched politics since the days of Wilson.
 

exiledinboro

Well-known member
@ruthsayer

I’m sorry to be persistent you said “moderate MPs have been de-selected and bullied”

You either stand by that comment and name the individual MPs or you accept you either made it up or don’t know what you’re talking about

So for a 4th time who was deselected and bullied?
 

HolgateCorner

Well-known member
See above I was a member and went to meetings and helped deliver leaflets for my local candidate as she’s a family friend. I still have labour carrier bags to carry the leaflets in 👍

But attack me honestly I’ve done my bit to help Labour and don’t even feel arsed you’re trying to be offensive 🤦‍♂️
I’m not trying to be offensive or personal I’m just frustrated that with the worst Tory government ever to darken the steps of Downing Street I read posts like yours.

Do you think the average Tory activist cares a jot about similar problems in the Tory Party?

Of course not, and that’s why we keep getting saddled with them.
 

The Ruthsayer

Active member
@ruthsayer

I’m sorry to be persistent you said “moderate MPs have been de-selected and bullied”

You either stand by that comment and name the individual MPs or you accept you either made it up or don’t know what you’re talking about

So for a 4th time who was deselected and bullied?
@ruthsayer

I’m sorry to be persistent you said “moderate MPs have been de-selected and bullied”

You either stand by that comment and name the individual MPs or you accept you either made it up or don’t know what you’re talking about

So for a 4th time who was deselected and bullied?
Er, I said above that I made an error. Being a little tipsy and having direct experience of Momentum was a cause. So, for the second time, I got it wrong, apologies for that. But, I absolutely stand by my second point of moderate and long serving PLP members, MO’s and councillors facing aggression from Momentum.
I’m not sure why you haven’t read my previous posts. Perhaps apoplexy has seized your optic nerves?
As a coda, I would add that anyone who doesn’t vote Labour where they are the first or second party, should not complain when we get 5 more years of the Tories. Be realistic people.
 

Scrote

Well-known member
Many articles detailed the bullying of sitting MP’s (and Labour Councillors)and anyone who did not subscribe to the Momentum philosophy. There is intolerance on both wings of the party, and the mutual loathing seems greater than that directed toward the real enemy. Your puerile, dismissive tone is sadly indicative of this. Perhaps you would rather the Tories than SKS?
But you are correct, despite the best efforts of Jon Lansman, who compiled a hit list of 50 MP’s, none were deselected.
A friend of mine, who had been a member of the PLP for over 40 years, and a serving councillor, was abused and spat at by a Momentum member for disagreeing with their tactics. Not quite eating babies, but pretty reprehensible.
I did link them above EIB. If you search you will find plenty of articles. I’ve cited my own experience above. Talking to the councillor, this was not an isolated incident.
I have also responded on the de-selection. Anger and the odd pint led to my error. No problem in admitting when I’m wrong.
JC, despite some errors (in my opinion) has immense integrity and I agreed with most of his policies, especially re-Nationalisation. Unfortunately, he was unable to control and shape his supporters. Just my take on stuff having watched politics since the days of Wilson.
Firstly, I'm not sure what word you were actually looking for but "puerile"?

I asked you to back your statement up. You still haven't. And now you've thrown in another accusation against the left without a shred of proof.

All the articles you linked (and the one I linked) came from exactly the same place. Getting rid of some light democratic-socialism was more important than truth, integrity or people's lives.

And you want me to back the people that did (and continue to do) that. SKS is no better than the Tories so I don't see it as an either/or.

Name the councillor who was spat at. Name the Momentum member who did it. It's obviously something that definitely happened so there'll be no worries with libel (or slander - not sure where anonymout message boards sit legally).

It's a bit surprising that the information isn't on the web though, considering the articles you linked (and the one I linked) would have been greatly enhanced by such a newsworthy item.

It reminds me of when Momentum smashed the windows of Angela Eagle's offices and then it turned out they didn't. But once the muck's been spread...


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I see you've taken back your claim about deselections. Perhaps you might want to do the same about the spitting incident (many of which were also 'reported' but none of which have ever, to my knowledge, been proven).

The right of the party have removed hundreds of left-leaning members. The left didn't do anything remotely similar. As always it's the right projecting their own modus operandi onto their perceived enemies and then crying foul.
 

r00fie1

Well-known member
Er, I said above that I made an error. Being a little tipsy and having direct experience of Momentum was a cause. So, for the second time, I got it wrong, apologies for that. But, I absolutely stand by my second point of moderate and long serving PLP members, MO’s and councillors facing aggression from Momentum.
I’m not sure why you haven’t read my previous posts. Perhaps apoplexy has seized your optic nerves?
As a coda, I would add that anyone who doesn’t vote Labour where they are the first or second party, should not complain when we get 5 more years of the Tories. Be realistic people.
Good evening.
You appear to have a habit of making "error"(s) - posting untruths, then retracting them later on - under pressure to produce evidence.:unsure:
 
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The Ruthsayer

Active member
Firstly, I'm not sure what word you were actually looking for but "puerile"?

I asked you to back your statement up. You still haven't. And now you've thrown in another accusation against the left without a shred of proof.

All the articles you linked (and the one I linked) came from exactly the same place. Getting rid of some light democratic-socialism was more important than truth, integrity or people's lives.

And you want me to back the people that did (and continue to do) that. SKS is no better than the Tories so I don't see it as an either/or.

Name the councillor who was spat at. Name the Momentum member who did it. It's obviously something that definitely happened so there'll be no worries with libel (or slander - not sure where anonymout message boards sit legally).

It's a bit surprising that the information isn't on the web though, considering the articles you linked (and the one I linked) would have been greatly enhanced by such a newsworthy item.

It reminds me of when Momentum smashed the windows of Angela Eagle's offices and then it turned out they didn't. But once the muck's been spread...


---Edit---
I see you've taken back your claim about deselections. Perhaps you might want to do the same about the spitting incident (many of which were also 'reported' but none of which have ever, to my knowledge, been proven).

The right of the party have removed hundreds of left-leaning members. The left didn't do anything remotely similar. As always it's the right projecting their own modus operandi onto their perceived enemies and then crying foul.
I have no made mention of the spitting incident? But that’s fine, you ascribe whatever you wish to someone you disagree with.
 

The Ruthsayer

Active member
Good evening.
You appear to have made a habit of making "error"(s) - posting untruths, then retracting them later on - under pressure to produce evidence.
You have all the traits of a troll.
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I have made over 300 comments on numerous topics. Yes, I have admitted two errors. If that makes me a troll in your book Roofie, then fine.
I will introduce a sobriety rule for myself.
On a wider note, does a 1/150 retraction rate render you a troll? I think that says a great deal about both our society and you as a person Roofie.
 

The Ruthsayer

Active member
And yet Starmer refused to say he'd reverse the cut to the top rate of income tax. :unsure:
You want a simple knee jerk reaction rather than a considered response. I suppose that is today’s ‘I want it now’ approach. Let’s have a moment’s silence to mourn the death of dialectic.
 

The Ruthsayer

Active member
And finally Roofie, ‘pressure’ is re-mortgaging your home and ploughing everything you own into a new business, trusting your instincts and commercial acumen to succeed.
That’s pressure old bean.
 

SuperStu

Well-known member
You want a simple knee jerk reaction rather than a considered response. I suppose that is today’s ‘I want it now’ approach. Let’s have a moment’s silence to mourn the death of dialectic.

Knee jerk? Has he never had chance to think about how taxation should work? If he doesn't know what his politics are maybe he shouldn't be leading a party?

Knee jerk 🤣
 

The Ruthsayer

Active member
Firstly, I'm not sure what word you were actually looking for but "puerile"?

I asked you to back your statement up. You still haven't. And now you've thrown in another accusation against the left without a shred of proof.

All the articles you linked (and the one I linked) came from exactly the same place. Getting rid of some light democratic-socialism was more important than truth, integrity or people's lives.

And you want me to back the people that did (and continue to do) that. SKS is no better than the Tories so I don't see it as an either/or.

Name the councillor who was spat at. Name the Momentum member who did it. It's obviously something that definitely happened so there'll be no worries with libel (or slander - not sure where anonymout message boards sit legally).

It's a bit surprising that the information isn't on the web though, considering the articles you linked (and the one I linked) would have been greatly enhanced by such a newsworthy item.

It reminds me of when Momentum smashed the windows of Angela Eagle's offices and then it turned out they didn't. But once the muck's been spread...


---Edit---
I see you've taken back your claim about deselections. Perhaps you might want to do the same about the spitting incident (many of which were also 'reported' but none of which have ever, to my knowledge, been proven).

The right of the party have removed hundreds of left-leaning members. The left didn't do anything remotely similar. As always it's the right projecting their own modus operandi onto their perceived enemies and then crying foul.
I will not name the councillor without her permission. This was 2018, so I’m not going to raise the subject again. And it certainly would not have been ‘newsworthy. It was in East London, beyond that I’m not prepared to comment. Believe what you will.
SKS no better than the Tories? I’m no fan of his, but rather he than Truss and KK. No?
I think the adjective puerile was reasonably accurate, many faults I may have, but paucity of lexicon is not one.
 
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