Leaving the EU was a catastrophic mistake

speckyget said:
The problem with our politics and Europe is that our politicians wheel it out whenever they're looking for some kind of gain. The ERG did it for years, Farage built a career on it, and this smacks of Streeting adding it to his case to become PM.
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Maybe Streeting is, but he is right nonetheless, anything that paints the right picture is surely a good thing, whatever their personal agenda for doing so may be. Bigger picture and all that. Streeting won’t be PM, it will be Burnham providing he wins the by-election, which sadly won’t be a walk in the park.
 
StrelectricDave said:
Maybe Streeting is, but he is right nonetheless, anything that paints the right picture is surely a good thing, whatever their personal agenda for doing so may be. Bigger picture and all that. Streeting won’t be PM, it will be Burnham providing he wins the by-election, which sadly won’t be a walk in the park.
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Didn't say he was wrong. Just questioning the timing of this astonishing insight.
 
Scrote said:
It's lucky there's not going to be an election in the coming weeks where Reform could use this to galvanise their vote against a Labour candidate.

I wonder who would be a direct beneficiary if that sort of thing was to happen, just hypothetically...
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Would stating we are rejoining the EU galvanise the reform vote ?

If it’s explained correctly in that, we didn’t have a problem with small boats because we had an agreement with the EU on migrants returns and on cost of living, removing costs from all the paperwork barriers in place preventing the likes of food businesses doing business cheaper would be a good sell for working people if communicated passionately and in an articulate manner.
Streeting can do that.

I think a huge silent majority of people recognise the self harm of Brexit - I reckon it’s more like 60+% in favour of rejoining the EU (we had nearly 50% in the original vote)

Hopefully burnham feels the same otherwise Streeting has my vote.
 
The problem with brexit was that only about 30% of the population bothered to vote, and the 17% of the brexit winning population were retired over 60 year olds who just didnt like brown people

Most of them are probably dead now, or dribbling in a wheel chair in a care home

So to take a wild guess, the population of brexit voters now still living in the country would at most be about 10% of the population, i **** you not, thats democracy for you
 
Gunslinger said:
The problem with brexit was that only about 30% of the population bothered to vote, and the 17% of the brexit winning population were retired over 60 year olds who just didnt like brown people

Most of them are probably dead now, or dribbling in a wheel chair in a care home

So to take a wild guess, the population of brexit voters now still living in the country would at most be about 10% of the population, i **** you not, thats democracy for you
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Gunslinger said:
The problem with brexit was that only about 30% of the population bothered to vote, and the 17% of the brexit winning population were retired over 60 year olds who just didnt like brown people

Most of them are probably dead now, or dribbling in a wheel chair in a care home

So to take a wild guess, the population of brexit voters now still living in the country would at most be about 10% of the population, i **** you not, thats democracy for you
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That 30% figure looks a trifle suspect. The official figure is that 72.2 % of the voting electorate “bothered” to vote.
 
I was really hoping Starmer would announce another referendum last week when he was giving his last chance saloon speech but sadly not.
 
I voted remain but leaving the EU has clearly not been a "catastrophe". It was a bad decision but it was never going to result in the sky falling in, and it hasn't.

And I'm not sure i'd vote to rejoin.
 
sjorrel said:
I voted remain but leaving the EU has clearly not been a "catastrophe". It was a bad decision but it was never going to result in the sky falling in, and it hasn't.

And I'm not sure i'd vote to rejoin.
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Believe me, the investment we have lost in this country is astronomical and I’m close to a few people who have been on the end of huge investment going to the EU even though we have the skills but companies can’t trade with flexibility and it’s killing us.
I can’t name the companies but one is on Teesside and massive.

So you are wrong - it has been a disaster.
 
Airsumaces1968 said:
So you are wrong - it has been a disaster.
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I can fully believe it's been a disaster for some individuals and individual businesses but it will equally have been an opportunity for others. It's not as if comparable states in the EU are seeing some economic golden age that we have missed out on.

My personal preference is closer economic ties as part of a two-speed EU; one economic only the other economic and political. As the EU inches towards federalisation there will be other member states who would prefer the looser arrangement.
 
Gunslinger said:
The problem with brexit was that only about 30% of the population bothered to vote, and the 17% of the brexit winning population were retired over 60 year olds who just didnt like brown people

Most of them are probably dead now, or dribbling in a wheel chair in a care home

So to take a wild guess, the population of brexit voters now still living in the country would at most be about 10% of the population, i **** you not, thats democracy for you
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Spot on. I’d also add Cameron’s ridiculously arrogant approach to it too. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar all voted remain. Those places are largely self governed so the conditions should have recognised that leave must have a majority of nations, not just people.

The whole thing was terrible.
 
Nero said:
Spot on. I’d also add Cameron’s ridiculously arrogant approach to it too. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar all voted remain. Those places are largely self governed so the conditions should have recognised that leave must have a majority of nations, not just people.

The whole thing was terrible.
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It really wasn't spot on. It was a collection of made up stats.
 
I wasn’t thinking he’d need to have made it part of the next election, he should just have said we’re haveing on and had it next year
 
When politicians say this stuff, do they mean “I wish we hadn’t left” or “we will rejoin”. If it’s the latter, where is the plan? Under what terms would we rejoin? Would those terms be put to the electorate as a referendum? Is so and we rejoined, how long before we get another referendum to see if we want to remain? Simple fact is we should never have left. There shouldn’t have been a referendum in the first place.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Simple fact is we should never have left. There shouldn’t have been a referendum in the first place.
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There shouldn't have been - Cameron was a chancer and it was the same as with the Scottish independence referendum.

Referendums on these big constitutional issues should only ever be used as a democratic confirmation of a clear settled will, not an opportunity to get enough people to risk putting an X in a box because of an effective social media campaign.
 
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