Manchester City’s victories are absolutely meaningless IMO

viv_andersons_nana

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Not one mention - as far as I could hear - of the 115 charges they’re facing for alleged financial breaches. We all know it’s been going on. No mention either of the £90m fines handed down from UEFA for cheating and non-co-operation since 2014, later reduced to £30m… which the club paid without contesting.

They are cheating.

They’re hammering teams by having a squad packed with quality players they can’t afford. Watching them tonight, it’s utterly meaningless IMO. Completely hollow. Pointless. And yet barely a word about this is spoken by commentators and pundits.
 
Not one mention - as far as I could hear - of the 115 charges they’re facing for alleged financial breaches. We all know it’s been going on. No mention either of the £90m fines handed down from UEFA for cheating and non-co-operation since 2014, later reduced to £30m… which the club paid without contesting.

They are cheating.

They’re hammering teams by having a squad packed with quality players they can’t afford. Watching them tonight, it’s utterly meaningless IMO. Completely hollow. Pointless. And yet barely a word about this is spoken by commentators and pundits.
For a hollow and pointless performance, they didn't half play well. ;)

All these clubs are at it, some more than others. It is time the PL & UEFA grew a pair and sorted them all out.

P.S. You could add the EFL to that.
 
The top end of football is a joke. I want no part of it. I genuinely dont see being promoted as a good thing for our club. I want to be in a proper league, where obscene amounts of money dont utterly obliterate any chance of a competition. Thats not sport. Thats not football.
 
The only rules they are breaking are the ones put in place by the rich super clubs to keep the rich super clubs at the top. They aren't outspending Chelsea, Utd etc and the other European super clubs. Financial fair play doesn't exist. It's not there for fairness. It's there to stop teams like Newcastle joining the party.

At our level FFP is there to prevent clubs going bust but it's different at the top level. All the teams at the top are huge spenders so I'm not sure who you want to win. They are all as bad as each other.
 
The top end of football is a joke. I want no part of it. I genuinely dont see being promoted as a good thing for our club. I want to be in a proper league, where obscene amounts of money dont utterly obliterate any chance of a competition. Thats not sport. Thats not football.
That's a really good point, but there's no fun in our awesome Championship season without an end goal. Boro will never be able to compete with the likes of City, Mags and Chelsea (haha) but look at Brentford & Brighton. This has been a great, fun season for them. I wouldn't mind a bit of that, even for just a season or two
 
Not one mention - as far as I could hear - of the 115 charges they’re facing for alleged financial breaches. We all know it’s been going on. No mention either of the £90m fines handed down from UEFA for cheating and non-co-operation since 2014, later reduced to £30m… which the club paid without contesting.

They are cheating.

They’re hammering teams by having a squad packed with quality players they can’t afford. Watching them tonight, it’s utterly meaningless IMO. Completely hollow. Pointless. And yet barely a word about this is spoken by commentators and pundits.
Also no mention of the way their owners help to run their country. For all the same reasons we criticise Newcastle and the Qatar World Cup.

I have no time for them whatsoever. Man Utd about to go the same way. The new “big 3” in this country will be a dickswinging contest between grotesquely oppressive Middle Eastern oil states. And their fans will continue lapping it up.
 
All City are guilty of is trying to break the Cartel that the established clubs want to protect.

I hope they win the treble this season and everything next season, there is no better sight than seeing all these clubs screaming it’s not fair cos they’ve got more money than we have.
 
Why single out Man City?

They'll have more of their youth products in the first team squad than many others, and there is little doubt that the (rightful) investigations into their shenanigans will have been pushed by powerful brokers in England with allegiances to other clubs.

The difference between them and the other colossal spenders is that they're better organised. They haven't wasted as much as the scatter cash clubs and they have the best manager by some distance. His old apprentice isn't doing bad either.

I'd like to echo the sentiments mentioned above, the Premier League is a joke. It hasn't been a worthwhile competition for some time. Organised to suit a small clique of clubs. Man City (like Newcastle) aren't supposed to be one of them.
 
They’re singled out because they’re under investigation for 115 breaches and have been fined £90m by UEFA for false accounting and failing to cooperate with investigations and requests for information. Which other English clubs have had that?

The rules are the rules. You have to abide by them. It doesn’t matter who set them and why, they’re in place and they’re voted through by a 14-6 majority. You can’t just say well we don’t like those rules so we’re going to ignore them and do what we like.
 
They’re singled out because they’re under investigation for 115 breaches and have been fined £90m by UEFA for false accounting and failing to cooperate with investigations and requests for information. Which other English clubs have had that?

The rules are the rules. You have to abide by them. It doesn’t matter who set them and why, they’re in place and they’re voted through by a 14-6 majority. You can’t just say well we don’t like those rules so we’re going to ignore them and do what we like.

I am sure the same rules could and should be applied to Real Madrid and the way they have been financed over the years. I am pretty certain that they would have breached umpteen rules - but their Government is in their pocket.
 
The top end of football is a joke. I want no part of it. I genuinely dont see being promoted as a good thing for our club. I want to be in a proper league, where obscene amounts of money dont utterly obliterate any chance of a competition. Thats not sport. Thats not football.
Erm…I’m guessing you are too young to remember when we were ‘Man City’
We spent unsustainable amounts in the late 90’s. And before us in the Premiere League it was Jack Walker and Blackburn. There always has been and there always will be a ‘privileged’ few.
 
Erm…I’m guessing you are too young to remember when we were ‘Man City’
We spent unsustainable amounts in the late 90’s. And before us in the Premiere League it was Jack Walker and Blackburn. There always has been and there always will be a ‘privileged’ few.
Of course. We all remember it well. Sheikh Walker at Blackburn and Sheikh Gibson at Boro. FFS.
 
So why do you think Rav played for us?
So why do you think Boksic played for us?
I would guess it’s because we would pay far more than anyone else at the time.
- it’s all relative.
It was still a local businessman who rescued the club from the brink investing his cash in though.

It wasn't sportswashing away human rights abuses while laundering your dirty money where nobody else can realistically keep up outside of the Forbes rich list.

Bloom at Brighton is pretty loaded, so are the Stoke owners, I'd have no problems with them shaking things up at the top.

I also don't remember boro breaking any financial rules?
 
Of course. We all remember it well. Sheikh Walker at Blackburn and Sheikh Gibson at Boro. FFS.
Ravenelli quoted us a silly amount in wages to play for us hoping it would put us off but 'Sheik Gibson' agreed to pay it. Walker did something similar to the Boro and paid attractive wages and high transfer fees for players to play for Blackburn.

Big_Nothing - It certainly wasn't sports washing or dirty money but it still gave us an advantage over our rivals. Not everyone had the money to throw about that Gibson did. I think I am also right in saying the FFP rules weren't introduced until 2011.

Gibson wasn't the first Boro chairman to throw silly money around. We once paid Sunderland £1,000 which shocked the footballing world and it was also discussed in the Houses of Commons.

 
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Ravenelli quoted us a silly amount in wages to play for us hoping it would put us off but 'Sheik Gibson' agreed to pay it. Walker did something similar to the Boro and paid attractive wages and high transfer fees for players to play for Blackburn.

Big_Nothing - It certainly wasn't sports washing or dirty money but it still gave us an advantage over our rivals. Not everyone had the money to throw about that Gibson did. I think I am also right in saying the FFP rules weren't introduced until 2011.

Gibson wasn't the first Boro chairman to throw silly money around. We once paid Sunderland £1,000 which shocked the footballing world and it was also discussed in the Houses of Commons.

So it still isn’t the same then is it? There’s always going to be some wealthier owners than others at different times. There’s always been wealthier people than Gibson around, they just didn’t invest in their teams.

The comparison to City is a lazy one which ignores context.
 
So it still isn’t the same then is it? There’s always going to be some wealthier owners than others at different times. There’s always been wealthier people than Gibson around, they just didn’t invest in their teams.

The comparison to City is a lazy one which ignores context.
Of course there's always going to be wealthier owners at other clubs over the course of time, it is how the land lies. You've named two yourself and I am sure between us we could think of a lot more. I don't agree with the money that City and other clubs have spent as I mentioned in my first post and feel that UEFA, PL and EFL should be doing a lot more to make it a fair playing field. I also think there are questions that need to be asked about how anyone thought some of these owners are 'right and fitting'.

Could you explain why you think it is lazy to compare other clubs who have spent large amounts to City.
 
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