Mitrovic - Now the dust settled

Billy69_uk said:
its honestly time football took a leaf out of how referees are treated in Rugby union.

Only the captains are allowed to talk to the officials, and any aggression or lip is rewarded instantly with a yellow car and 10 mins in the sin bin or a penalty awarded.

Could easily be fixed inside a couple of weeks if the footballing bodies wanted to, but they dont.
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Just as I was replying.
 
t4tomo said:
Its a straight red card and he should get the usual ban. It wasn't excessively violent to trigger anything more than 3 games for violent conduct (because he pushed the ref vs 2 games for "dissent") IMHO.
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But it's not towards a player it's towards a ref. Players are allowed physical contact with each other and violent conduct will always happen. Its not the same for a referee and even worse now that var is involved. It's inexcusable (and that's coming from someone with similar anger/impulse control issues as mitro).
 
Was the red card for silva justified? he said his piece which he was probably entitled to do and turned away, then with the red card in his hand for the clear handball he missed he sends off mitrovic for shoving his arm. obviously mitrovic gets much more aggressive after that. three red cards in what 45 seconds? I think the ref was a little trigger happy after failing to spot an obvious shout.

10 match ban? Three match man for violent conduct? we need to stick to the rules and be consistent. The respect is not there for match officials especially at the grassroots level.. but then the decision making is not there from match officials (especially in the championship) if THAT offside goal against Sunderland costs us automatic promotion, you’r looking at a £100m decision and that’s without the money fans pay for tickets gone completely down the pan. It’s a huge kick in the teeth for an incompetent match official to decide the fate of the game rather than the talent of the players.

Would Mitrovic have been sent off if the referee was in the right state of mind and did not have a red card in his hand. Yellow card offence surely? The same with Silva.

Fulham were in full control of that game, if the referee gets the decision right in the first place I think they still win with 10 men, dissent caused by his inconsistent approach did not warrant two quick successive red cards in my opinion.

It’s the Fulham fans miss out and I believe the officials were not up to scratch.
 
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Norfolkred1 said:
Where does the blame lie. Is it the Ref or the FA who will not let the Ref into the dressing room to lay the law down on what will and will not happen on the pitch. All around the Rugby Dressing rooms are picture on what Ban YOU WILL GET if you carry out certain actions. None of this board meeting crap, a straight ban without a hearing simple as that. Then the Axminister shuffle in front of the manager to deal out their punishment. And as for the coach, well where does the attitude come down from. TBF I've not really seen MC loose his rag yet.
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The blame lies with the player. The referee doesn’t need to tell the players beforehand that assaulting him will be deemed unacceptable.
 
Cambsred said:
Football will never get its house in order regarding dissent and referees.

In sport you push the rules as far as you can. In football you swear at the ref, crowd him and shout and you get the next decision. In rugby/ hockey you do that and you're off the pitch for 10 minutes.

It could be stopped within a few months.

Reminds me a bit of people trafficing. If there was a real will/ it was drugs/ guns it would be stopped within days.
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When I played local league football if you swore at a team mate never mind the referee you were sent off. This never happens in pro football and they play to slightly different rules regarding player conduct.

I ran school football teams and would immediately remove a player(s) if I heard them swear and then would make them sub the following game. This soon got the message over to the players.

I would also like to see referee's interviewed after a game to give their view on decisions. I think it would take away a lot of the 'us and them mentality'.
 
Duffman said:
Think he will get 10 games
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9 games would mean he could play their last game this season.. at old trafford.

not sure where they come from mind.. two match ban for dissent, three match ban for violent conduct, four match ban for extremely violent conduct, one extra game if they fail to leave the field of play in a reasonable time.

a tug on the arm and a waggy finger isn’t going down as extremely violent conduct is it?
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Should be,

The referee should be sacrosanct. They don’t get decisions wrong on purpose, they are human and make mistakes in exactly the same way as players and managers do.

Making excuses for this type of behaviour, that spills down into grassroots and your football is a massive part of the problem. Telling the official to “**** off”, screaming for penalties/fouls, running at the referee when one of your team mates is fouled, dishonesty when appealing for throws Etc

Will to win, competitiveness, desire, pressure to succeed. All pathetic excuses, none of them are acceptable, the authorities need to crack down and stop it whilst fans/pundits/managers/media need to call it out for what it is,
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respect for referees at the grassroots level is very poor, but is mitrovic the one to hang all that onto.. is this when the penny drops. for me I’m more than happy to see a 10 game match ban dropped it we are entering into a new age of respect and with that I would like to see some consistency and a genuine effort made to raise standards.

Otherwise it’s a three match ban maximum, if they push for four than I would say it’s ott
 
I don't think the incident was that bad on the face of it, but it's what it represents that's the problem.

Complete lack of respect towards the referee from Mitrovic.

I'd throw the book at him to discourage other players from acting like that.
 
newyddion said:
a tug on the arm and a waggy finger isn’t going down as extremely violent conduct is it?
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No but gobbing off aggressively about 2cm from his face, grabbing him, refusing to go away, repeating the gobbing off is ..... and that will be watched and followed by kids. You may not like it or agree but these players do have a responsibility to be a role model for kids

I blame kn0b Ferguson for this - the agrgession that Keane and the like showed to referees was a deliberate ploy by him and as it was never clamped down on at the start, it's now seen as normal behaviour
 
The aggression Mitrovic displayed was similar to when Roy Keane threw his hissy fit at the ref against us for daring to give a penalty. That changed, or attempted to change the players surrounding the ref, I think it should be similar this time in that if any players behave in a similar fashion, touching the ref or not, it should be a straight red. I get that players will talk to the ref and question decisions but behaving like that in a professional capacity is not right
 
Malaguena said:
No but gobbing off aggressively about 2cm from his face, grabbing him, refusing to go away, repeating the gobbing off is ..... and that will be watched and followed by kids. You may not like it or agree but these players do have a responsibility to be a role model for kids

I blame kn0b Ferguson for this - the agrgession that Keane and the like showed to referees was a deliberate ploy by him and as it was never clamped down on at the start, it's now seen as normal behaviour
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Yeah, but if that happens after the card has been given.. you’ve lost control of the situation.

The whole game is watched by kids, the cheating, the diving, poor decisions at the games you have gambling, alcohol etc. as I’ve said if this is a watershed moment then fair enough. If not it’s a three match ban.
 
It wouldn't entirely surprise me if Mitrovic's punishment after yesterday's action is more lenient than what Toney will get for gambling.

It would sum up those at the top of our game.
 
From the FA Handbook:

OFFENCES AGAINST MATCH OFFICIALS
Categories of Offence
96 The three categories of offence against Match Officials are as follows:
96.1 Threatening behaviour: words or action that cause the Match Official to believe that they are being threatened. Examples include but are not limited to: the use of words that imply (directly or indirectly) that the Match Official may be subjected to any form of physical abuse either immediately or later, whether realistic or not; the raising of hands to intimidate the Match Official; pretending to throw or kick an object at the Match Official.
96.2 Physical contact or attempted physical contact: physical actions (or attempted actions) that are unlikely to cause injury to the Match Official but are nevertheless confrontational, examples include but are not limited to: pushing the Match Official or pulling the Match Official (or their clothing or equipment); and
96.3 Assault or attempted assault: acting in a manner which causes or attempts to cause injury to the Match Official (whether or not it does in fact cause injury), examples include, but are not limited to, causing and/or attempting to cause injury by spitting (whether it connects or not), causing and/or attempting to cause injury by striking, or attempting to strike, kicking or attempting to kick, butting or attempting to butt, barging or attempting to barge, kicking or throwing any item directly at the Match Official.

Sanction range (Suspension)
A Disciplinary Commission shall impose an immediate suspension within a range based on the category of offence committed (as set out below). A Disciplinary Commission shall take all aggravating and mitigating factors into account, including, but not limited to, those listed in paragraph 102, when determining the level of sanction within the range.
Unless otherwise stated, the lowest end of the applicable range shall operate as a standard minimum suspension. A Disciplinary Commission may impose an immediate suspension in excess of the upper limit in circumstances where aggravating factors of significant number or weight are present.
Threatening behaviour:
101.1 suspension from all football activity for a period of between 56 days and 182 days. The recommended entry point, prior to considering any mitigating or aggravating factors, is 112 days.
101.2 a fine of up to £100, with a mandatory minimum fine of £50.
101.3 an order that the Participant completes an education programme before the time-based suspension
is served.
Physical contact or attempted physical contact:
101.4 suspension from all football activities for a period of between 112 days and 2 years. The recommended entry point, prior to considering any mitigating or aggravating factors is 182 days.
101.5 a fine of up to £150, with a mandatory minimum fine of £75.
101.6 an order that the Participant completes an education programme before the time-based suspension
is served or within 28 days of the Disciplinary Commission’s decision, whichever is the later.
Assault or attempted assault:
101.7.1 immediate suspension from all football activity for a period of between 5 years and 10 years, subject to the following:
101.7.2 where the Participant is aged 14 or under, the standard minimum suspension shall be 2 years; and
101.7.3 where any assault causes serious injury to the Match Official, the standard minimum suspension shall
be 10 years.
101.8 an order that the Participant completes an education programme before the time-based suspension is served

So Mitrovic clearly committed an offence under 96.2, the sanction for which is dealt with under 101.4 to 101.6. The starting point for a suspension would appear to be 182 days (six months).
 
TeaCider said:
I don't think the incident was that bad on the face of it, but it's what it represents that's the problem.

Complete lack of respect towards the referee from Mitrovic.

I'd throw the book at him to discourage other players from acting like that.
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I think it is that bad. The arm grab alone isn't too bad but putting his face in the refs face like that, is extremely aggressive. If someone does that to you in the pub most would probably think "here we go, this fella wants a fight". He forced the ref to back away from him.

It's not just about the physical contact, it's about the body language and the level of intimidation.

The Di Canio push was far less intimidating. I think what Mitrovic (and probably Keane back in the day) was actually worse. Although appreciate the physical contact makes it a much clearer breach of the rules.
 
If he doesn't get an additional ban not only for the behaviour that prompted the red card, because it does warrant it, but refusing to leave and shouting intimidatingly at the ref then it sets the bar very low for players behaviours to the refs.
He be playing for Serbia unfortunately but I hope he doesn't get another game for Fulham until the 2023/24 season.
 
Reading the rule book, I would say a 182 day ban. It was a 96.2 offence.

What did di Canio get?

If he doesn't get a lengthy ban, I fear for referees as sunday league players often copy what they see on TV.
 
It would appear that any suspension is from all football activity, so as well as being banned from playing he wouldn’t even be allowed to train or attend matches.
 
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It's not so much the push that's the problem, it's the aggression along with it, if we let this stand it's only a matter of time before one of the refs gets knocked out. If the refs are scared, they will be scared to make the big calls, which they need to, we can't have that, and relying on var to pick up the craps for this.

No ref should ever have to be taking steps back, as players are getting in their face. They should just stand their ground, and any time a player gets within 5 yards aggressively, they should be immediately booked, and then if they don't immediately retreat beyond 5 yards and shut up, they should be sent off.

I expect the only reason they don't do it this way is they don't want to, they like the controversy/ passion etc, and they think football needs it, when it really doesn't.

Some have compared it to the Fernades thing, but I think they're dissimilar, Fernades was more a frustration thing, wasn't exactly aggressive etc, and was more a push out the way so he could get tot the ball, not a confrontation etc.
 
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