NEIL WARNOCK

Been thinking on this since full time and think I can hold my nose with the results currently as I think they could improve IF, and this is a big IF, Warnock starts telling the truth.

Stop blaming the foreign lads, the footballing squad (may I add that's a worrying criticism (I want to play football?)), the constant referee stick (they aren't helping) and everything else BS in pressers. Take the flak Neil you are a v experienced grown man take it like that. Instead passing the book deflates fans and most importantly kills team spirit imo. If it continues I see the squad stopping playing and making the decision for Gibson.

Almost becoming Pulis when he went on about how mint the area was and how he was surprised and Steve's spent a lot of money and its like the Coates etc which I also hated. Enough of the BS and more of the honesty long story short.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Once again HES LEAVING AFTER THIS SEASON so not sure why you are so desperate to keep someone who has all but written this season off despite him being off after it finishes.
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Yeah I know that. But is the answer sack the manager everytime there struggle, because there keep struggling
 
I think Scott wants Farke. If Farke gets sacked we'll move for him.

It's all good seeing Neil out the door, I'm sure Gibson and him could come to an agreement where he walks away on his own terms with dignity but who do we bring in to replace him?

Howe seemingly fits the bill but it's just not very realistic is it. Plus he's been out the game a while now and I have doubts about his mentality.

I'd be chuffed if we could make it work though.

Wouldn't be against Lampard but again not sure we could get him here and his teams do seem to be quite easily countered tactically, they struggle badly with transitions and that's been pointed out at Derby and Chelsea.

I see no other decent suggestions for a manager who would work well with Scott. Although Scott may have some suggestions, Farke is probably his man.
 
i think paulh10 must have a crush on warnock,hes had his time and clearly needs to go,and the sooner the better as we will be a lot closer to being relegated than promoted thats for sure,despite being everybodys fault other than his own,i feel we have a decent team,time will tell of coursewould not suprise me if hes gone before we play our next game!!!
 
As we head to the international break do you think Warnock still has the fire in his belly to do this:-


Imagine Jones and Payero would be wide eyed.
 
I am ok putting Hull down to bad luck, we should have buried them with the 3 or 4 chances we had, the fluky own goal was the one that sunk us.... the 2nd when we were chasing the game... On balance we should give him until start Dec and see
 
This is Warnock’s quote when he signed his contact extension in May.

“I think we can all look forward now - at my age you know you're not staying on to make up the numbers and I thrive on success, and that's what I'll be striving for.”

I can’t think of any metric this season so far that could be seen as success and at 15th in the table we’re doing a very passable impersonation of an also ran team…Warnock has no pedigree of improving a team from his second season to his third season as a manager, his impact has been a quick change around in results when he first takes over that create momentum that continues in his first full season in charge that window of opportunity has passed and we are in serious of danger of being in a worse position in the league than when Warnock joined us.

The club seems disjointed with Warnock signings and others that seem to be from elsewhere, we still have no set style of play, long term issues in squad balance are still apparent, and our performances and results have been inconsistent at best but poor in the main.

I believe January last season was the fulcrum of Warnock’s reign, in and around the play off places if he was going to deliver us promotion it was then, but it went the other way and I see no signs of things taking a sustained up turn, talk to fans of other clubs and their surprise at our league position and underperformance, sometimes we are too close to see the wood from the trees.

A long term plan and coherent strategy needs to be formulated and executed, one would hope that this process has been started and that when Gibson decides action is required the pieces are all in place, for me Warnock was never going to be a long term solution and the appointment of Scott an indicator of different thinking within the club, but let’s not delude ourselves in thinking Warnock can’t take us down, he’s suffered nearly as many relegations in his career as promotions.
 
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American_Mary said:
This is Warnock’s quote when he signed his contact extension in May.

“I think we can all look forward now - at my age you know you're not staying on to make up the numbers and I thrive on success, and that's what I'll be striving for.”

I can’t think of any metric this season so far that could be seen as success and at 15th in the table we’re doing a very passable impersonation of an also ran team…Warnock has no pedigree of improving a team from his second season to his third season as a manager, his impact has been a quick change around in results when he first takes over that create momentum that continues in his first full season in charge that window of opportunity has passed and I’m we are in serious of danger of being in a worse position in the league than when Warnock joined us.

The club seems disjointed with Warnock signings and others that seem to be from elsewhere, we still have no set style of play, long term issues in squad balance are still apparent, and our performances and results have been inconsistent at best but poor in the main.

I believe January last season was the fulcrum of Warnock’s reign, in and around the play off places if he was going to deliver us promoting it was then, but it went the other way and I see no signs of things taking a sustained up turn, talk to fans of other clubs and their surprise at our league position and underperformance, sometimes we are too close to see the wood from the trees.

A long term plan and coherent strategy needs to be formulated and executed, one would hope that this process has been started and that when Gibson decides action is required the pieces are all in place, for me Warnock was never going to be a long term solution and the appointment of Scott an indicator of different thinking within the club, but let’s not delude ourselves in thinking Warnock can’t take us down, he’s suffered nearly as many relegations in his career as promotions.
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Agree with all of this. As much Warnock might attempt to convince people otherwise he's said repeatedly he wouldn't have stayed if he didnt think he could get us up. That was his goal this season.

Seems like hes now gone into damage limitation mode and is implying that was never the aim and he's performing heroics just to keep us mid table because its becoming increasingly obvious hes going to come nowhere near his original objective.

cant believe some are buying it. But then this is a country who elected Boris Johnson as PM so maybe i shouldn't be that surprised.
 
festa5 said:
Agree with all of this. As much Warnock might attempt to convince people otherwise he's said repeatedly he wouldn't have stayed if he didnt think he could get us up. That was his goal this season.

Seems like hes now gone into damage limitation mode and is implying that was never the aim and he's performing heroics just to keep us mid table because its becoming increasingly obvious hes going to come nowhere near his original objective.

cant believe some are buying it. But then this is a country who elected Boris Johnson as PM so maybe i shouldn't be that surprised.
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Yep he’s always said if it didn’t look likely he would leave and if we didn’t want him he would leave. And guess what majority of us don’t want him.
 
As usual I'm with AM on this.

I do think Warnock leaving now and us not actually being able to get a candidate we actually want to execute the strategy we are moving towards would be a step backwards though.
 
Big_Nothing said:
I see no other decent suggestions for a manager
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Eh, There literally hundreds of thousands of potential managers out there if only we drop our ludicrous not already in a job madness.

you mean there’s not many out of work washed up candidates left that’s a big difference.

but that’s our fault no one makes us go down this route that no other club on earth does out of some sort of misguided Ethics crusade.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Eh, There literally hundreds of thousands of potential managers out there if only we drop our ludicrous not already in a job madness.

you mean there’s not many out of work washed up candidates left that’s a big difference.

but that’s our fault no one makes us go down this route that no other club on earth does out of some sort of misguided Ethics crusade.
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Thank you for putting words in my mouth Zorro, however that isn't what I said at all, you've wrongly decided on my behalf it is.

Which managers do you see available or likely to leave their current clubs/projects (assuming they're doing quite well if we're interested in them) to join our club as it currently stands?

Please, reel off this list of managers, I'm really interested. I like to think I keep up with my football so fire away...
 
No one needs to reel any list off, I’ve always found it strange when people say “who’s going to take over?”. There are thousands of managers we’ve never heard of, hundreds of progressive forward thinking managers.

I posted this yesterday but I’ll do it again.

Valerien Ismael
Xisco
Daniel Farke
Thomas Frank

All been very successful at Championship clubs, who knew of them as managers before they moved to this division? And that was just a quick look at the last few seasons there have been loads more too.

Who would have suggested Karanka when Mowbray left?

I know Gibson is addicted to British everything but that seems to have shifted this season thankfully, hopefully we have broadened our horizons when looking for a new manager. Our only successful manager in the last 10 years was Karanka and when it went t*ts up Gibson threw it all out the window and we’ve been British ever since.
 
You're cherry picking successes there though aren't you.

The fact of the matter is getting one of these managers and it working is rare and they often get found out after a while anyway.

I'm sure if there was a manager we thought was a great fit and was available we'd be assessing the option.

If you're going to say "oh there's loads of better options" then at least name some?

I would prefer a different manager over Warnock but getting rid of him to bring in someone who isn't quite what we actually want because we haven't fully identified what we want or don't believe the market is right to get what we want in a manager, would be a step backwards not forwards and would be yet more upheaval.
 
Just remember we are a club that had Tony Pulis grooming Jonathan Woodgate for the manager's job with Steve Gibson's approval.
 
Big_Nothing said:
You're cherry picking successes there though aren't you.

The fact of the matter is getting one of these managers and it working is rare and they often get found out after a while anyway.

I'm sure if there was a manager we thought was a great fit and was available we'd be assessing the option.

If you're going to say "oh there's loads of better options" then at least name some?

I would prefer a different manager over Warnock but getting rid of him to bring in someone who isn't quite what we actually want because we haven't fully identified what we want or don't believe the market is right to get what we want in a manager, would be a step backwards not forwards and would be yet more upheaval.
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That will be for Scott to decide, not Zorro or Chappy.

I just don't understand the fascination with keeping him or worrying about who will replace him.

As has been said, in Mowbrays last year from Jan to Oct we had won about ten games and were conceding freely and looked lost. Karanka came in and transformed us defensively almost overnight with the same players.

Everyone was saying the same things in defence of Mowbray then as they are about Warnock now, but he was a club legend who wasn't set to retire in seven months.

I just don't get it.
 
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