No way is that a penalty in the Liverpool game. VAR is pathetic.!

As gene hunt sez.
They are not using it right.
They don’t want to get the correct decision they just want to make the referees seem to be right or not wrong
Dermot Gallagher's opinion on ref watch tomorrow should be interesting

My money's on him sitting on the fence yet again " I agree with the decision to call it a penalty but i could of understood if they had ruled against and not given it ............waffle, waffle, waffle"
 
There's errors and downright incompetence which is what we saw today. Spending several minutes convincing himself of an infringement that never happened isn't a error.

I know that FA/FIFA will never remove it, but a system that continually makes mistakes cannot be allowed to continue as is.

Imagine todays decision was in a Boro match and cost us promotion.........................................

Mistakes/Incompetence will always exist in football, continually calling out refereeing mistakes to the insane levels that currently exist, VAR or no VAR will not solve any problems. Why would any young or ex professional become one with the levels of bile thrown towards them now is beyond me.

Just like everything, people only ever seem to see the bad, not the good that gets completely overlooked and forgotten.

Imagine what might of been if we had VAR to review Fry getting his head taken off against Blackburn, or imagine if a blatant offside goal against us was missed leading to our relegation.

It works both ways.
 
Just like everything, people only ever seem to see the bad, not the good that gets completely overlooked and forgotten.

Imagine what might of been if we had VAR to review Fry getting his head taken off against Blackburn, or imagine if a blatant offside goal against us was missed leading to our relegation.

It works both ways.
Indeed it does, you still get bad decisions and we now get a whole new type of bad decisions to go with them, marginal decisions that are so close that it does not come under any definition of "clear and obvious" that I have ever come across. You also get offside plays allowed to go on, wasting time and raising the possibility of players being injured during a period of dead play, we get the multiple minutes between the ball crossing the line and the goal being allowed, we get a difference between the way the game is played at the elite level as opposed to the "grass roots" level. The downside clearly exceeds the much vaunted "benefits" but the PL are so committed to this folly that no one is prepared to admit it was a waste of money.
 
Linesmen not flagging for offside does my head in.
How many times do you see attacking teams getting corners and other advantages when the linesman should have just put his flag up for offside originally.
 
Mistakes/Incompetence will always exist in football, continually calling out refereeing mistakes to the insane levels that currently exist, VAR or no VAR will not solve any problems. Why would any young or ex professional become one with the levels of bile thrown towards them now is beyond me.

Just like everything, people only ever seem to see the bad, not the good that gets completely overlooked and forgotten.

Imagine what might of been if we had VAR to review Fry getting his head taken off against Blackburn, or imagine if a blatant offside goal against us was missed leading to our relegation.

It works both ways.
It does go both ways but a system that makes mistakes as bad as this, potentially costing a club a fortune cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

What happened this afternoon was sheer incompetence that can't be just brushed under the carpet and be ignored because sometimes the process works as it should.
 
Players don't get a second chance so I don't see why officials should.
Has the standard of officiating increased with the introduction of VAR as you'd expect as the officials gain experience or has it got worse? I'd say that it is worse.
If the 'error' isn't obvious within 30 seconds then let it go I say. In a game as fluid as football can you really impose absolutes of humans in the case of offside decisions going down to centimetres?
Football outside the top leagues is surviving without VAR so I'm not exactly sure if it is needed anyway.
 
I would've loved to hear the dialogue between Michael Oliver and VAR at Old Trafford a couple of weeks back. If the foul on Cavani was so clear and obvious why did they spend two minutes trying to find an offside involving Danny Ings? At what point did they decide to look for a foul instead?
To be fair the United players were kicking off about the foul on Cavani (that WAS a foul) but VAR has to check every goal and the offside was tight enough that they had to spend time on it. Had they started with the foul the check would have been over much sooner.

Guess what!
Guessing Kane was unable to stop without pushing against Thiago Silva. Otherwise he'd have stopped without pushing him. It was a foul by the standard reading of the rules. Pundits saying "it wasn't enough" are the reason VAR was introduced in the first place.

There is a clip on twitter showing Cavani as offside it must be a frame or 2 after the VAR clip and Cavani has moved forward but the ball still looks like it hasn’t left Martials foot.
This is a big problem with VAR for me, how do they decide when the ball has actually left the passers foot and in which frame. It is very much a guess to me.
Probably something to do with the offside being dependent on when Martial first touches the ball - nothing to do with it leaving his foot - but then football fans not knowing the rules is only second to idiot pundits when it comes to VAR being introduced.

The thing with Kane’s ‘goal’ is that he watched Mason Mount ‘ease’ a Spurs defender into the advertising hoardings, which is clearly dangerous play, and did nothing but blows for a foul on Thiago Silva. At what point is he deciding contact is a foul? Or how the VAR checked for a possible red card for Doherty but don’t even give a foul for it.

It is bizarre.
Agree with the lack of consistency being bizarre. It's almost as if reducing everything to a bunch of freeze frames can't really tell you what's happening.

VAR need to be binned and the bin needs to be dumped in the Marianas Trench.

And then it all needs nuking from orbit. Just to be sure.
 
There is a clip on twitter showing Cavani as offside it must be a frame or 2 after the VAR clip and Cavani has moved forward but the ball still looks like it hasn’t left Martials foot.
This is a big problem with VAR for me, how do they decide when the ball has actually left the passers foot and in which frame. It is very much a guess to me.
There loads of stuff about that goal but it’s all been disproved, the rules state it goes from the start of the motion when he touches the ball and even with your interpretation when they use the 3s grid he’s still onside it’s only his arm that’s off. Loads of west Ham fans sharing images with wonky lines on Twitter though screaming offside including Anton Ferdinand making a nob of himself showing an image which clearly show him onside.
 
The idea of VAR is exactly what is needed. However, it's the way the Premier League is implementing the system that is wrong at the moment. I don't seem to remember too many complaints with VAR during last year's European Championship. VAR doesn't seem to get hammered by fans in European club football either.
 
The commentator kept saying that slow motion makes these type of car challenges worse and harder to judge… but for me you could clearly see him change direction to collide with the keeper…

worst VAR overturn I’ve seen….
 
He made up for it. Last minute at Millwall and then this happened. Probably the funniest fan rant (against Kevin Friend ) ever.

He swears continuously for the whole video every F word is heard but others are bleeped out. I want to know what those words were!
 
Won't be long until we have to wait & wait & wait,until its been confirmed, now you can celebrate a goal, penalty, that instant feeling of the rush of blood, punching the air when the ball hits the back of the neck will be another thing lost to football
 

Kevin Friend has been kicked out of the next round of fixtures for the decision.

Weirdly, Kevin Pawson, who was on VAR and made Friend look at his decision again, is allowed to referee the next round.
 

Kevin Friend has been kicked out of the next round of fixtures for the decision.

Weirdly, Kevin Pawson, who was on VAR and made Friend look at his decision again, is allowed to referee the next round.
Utterly ridiculous. Friend got the decision correct. VAR in effect told him to change it
 
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