Now Wales polls indicate a rise in votes for independence

That's crazy. They'll no doubt be desperate join the EU.
How could the Welsh economy support the country without enormous EU financial assistance?
 
the conservative and unionist party overseeing the breakup of the union...

you couldnt make it up...

All the brexiteers will be queuing up to tell us how it will be the best for little england..
 
As said before I am happy for countries to leave the Union as long as they fund they their own independence 100% and its what over 50% of their citizens want. At present England subsidises the other three parts of the Union and I believe some of the English regions have suffered as a consequence.

Personally I don't think Wales would ever vote to leave, a significant % of the population are not from Wales, particularly in the tourist areas. Wales has a similar profile to the North East of England and suffered a lot from the decline of mining and heavy industry and now the decline of the manufacturing satellite plants. Service sector jobs have developed but not to the same level. Cardiff area has done well with service sector jobs a bit like Newcastle, but north of the M4 in South Wales there are a lot of Loftus like places, but unlike Loftus there is no mining.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's how the EU works, look at Ireland, who are now net contributors and have a higher standard if living than we do.

It's real 'levelling up'. Not the nonsense that's fallen for over here.
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No they don't. Their public services are no where near as good as the UK. Drive outside of Dublin and within miles you go back to lighting last seen here since McMillan.

Their cost of living us significantly higher than the UK.
 
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No they don't. Their public services are no where near as good as the UK. Drive outside of Dublin and within miles you go back to lighting last seen here since McMillan.

Their cost of living us significantly higher than the UK.
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I don't know about public services or the cost of living but presumably by lighting you mean street lighting?

It cannot be any worse than the LED street lights in Middlesbrough which are absolutely useless.
 
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No they don't. Their public services are no where near as good as the UK. Drive outside of Dublin and within miles you go back to lighting last seen here since McMillan.

Their cost of living us significantly higher than the UK.
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That's because they can afford it, being wealthier on average than us Brits.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's because they can afford it, being wealthier on average than us Brits.
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Ireland to you really is the end of the yellow brick road. This heaven on earth , I go and work there regularly, and I hear a different view.
The poverty in parts of Dublin is far worse than I have seen here.

The days of the Catholic church ruling the roost are over.
 
Same_as_before said:
Ireland to you really is the end of the yellow brick road. This heaven on earth , I go and work there regularly, and I hear a different view.
The poverty in parts of Dublin is far worse than I have seen here.

The days of the Catholic church ruling the roost are over.
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This isn't about any personal preferences of mine. I replied to a comment made on the EU, which incidentally isn't a favourite institution of mine but I can see through the rubbish written about it.

Ireland has changed dramatically since joining the EU, from being supported (which my first response was about) to being a net contributor, as the UK was.

During that time they've moved to having the 5th highest average salaries in the EU, for various reasons, and they've managed it, like most EU nations, without having the benefit of North Sea Oil and gas.

The information is all out there should you wish to find it, you don't have to base all of your arguments on the offerings of a poor popular press.
 
Welsh independence ha now that is a joke

it’s not really even a country ( it’s a principality) it doesn’t have its own legal system ( unlike Scotland) hell it doesn’t even have its own cricket team ( puts on tin hat)
 
If it meant there'd be less of them on my TV I'd be all for it. Alex Jones, Steve Jones, Aled Jones et al...
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
This isn't about any personal preferences of mine. I replied to a comment made on the EU, which incidentally isn't a favourite institution of mine but I can see through the rubbish written about it.

Ireland has changed dramatically since joining the EU, from being supported (which my first response was about) to being a net contributor, as the UK was.

During that time they've moved to having the 5th highest average salaries in the EU, for various reasons, and they've managed it, like most EU nations, without having the benefit of North Sea Oil and gas.

The information is all out there should you wish to find it, you don't have to base all of your arguments on the offerings of a poor popular press.
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I read The Irish Times at least once a week , I doubt it's that popular. North Sea oil was never greater than 5%, I am sure their would have been a substitute industry to reduce that.

Ireland is the only country I have received racism, never in NI.

Each to their own.
 
Racially abused by an Irishman, what did he say to you?

It's not long since you were saying you had stick in Scotland as well.

You're either making it up or winding a lot of people up.
 
One example, I was having too many Guinness's in a town on the outskirts of Dublin, Rathcoole.

I was Reading the Mail and a band was playing, and then went into a Gailic song. An old bloke tells me it's about the British, but one day they will stop living in the past

Went to watch England at Rugby, a woman telling us we were not wanted, the landlord kicked get out.

As for Scotland I was referring to a hotel in Falkirk when England were winning and Scotland losing. The owner advised me to take an early night.

I like both people's they are no Different to here.

I have no idea why you think I would need to tell porkies on a site no one knows me. Your'e not ST by any chance he also accused me of making stuff up.
 
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So despite their grievances due to historical reasons, their lack of natural resources, their location, they've still managed to create an economy with a good standard of living with employees earning the 5th highest salaries in the EU, having originally been a recipient of funds from the same institution.

And they're keeping you in business while doing so?

Are you still arguing against paying employees a decent living wage?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
So despite their grievances due to historical reasons, their lack of natural resources, their location, they've still managed to create an economy with a good standard of living with employees earning the 5th highest salaries in the EU, having originally been a recipient of funds from the same institution.

And they're keeping you in business while doing so?

Are you still arguing against paying employees a decent living wage?
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Can you find out where ever I said that. It doesn't sound like me. By keeping me in business I am unsure what that means.

5th highest in the EC, I guess France Germany, Holland, Belgium or possibly Italy or Spain, after those I am not too sure it's a difficult pot to win.

So you have accused me of telling porkies and not wanting to pay a decent wage to working people, maybe I steal Bananas from Tesco too.
 
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