Only about 300 tickets left for tomorrow

Malaguena said:
And for many years after the stadium opened, the North Stand was the most popular in the stadium - things change and can be changed. Indeed the club moved them from their original SE corner position to where they are now. Move them again.

.... and I was under the impression we were all Boro fans, not just the ones who currently want to be in the South Stand.
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I know it makes segregation easier, but I could never understand why we put the away fans behind the goal. I always felt it played into the away team's hands.
 
FishofContemplation said:
As that picture appears to confirm, though, it always feels like you need more stewards if you are segregating solely by stewards then you do if you are also segregating by netting and dead space. So the latter is going to be cheaper and it becomes a cost/benefit thing.

The extra revenue per pair of @rse cheeks that we might accommodate on the rare occasions when we would sell out is probably going to be a lot less than its equivalent for Arsenal V Spurs or the prem more generally. It’s only worth selling the extra seats if we actually make more money by doing so.
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There was already a line of stewards against Blackburn.
Adding a few more (if really necessary) versus selling 4 or 500 seats at £30.
Maybe also add in the objective of getting fans in the ground.
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
There was already a line of stewards against Blackburn.
Adding a few more (if really necessary) versus selling 4 or 500 seats at £30.
Maybe also add in the objective of getting fans in the ground.
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There’s a double line in the pictured scenario though. So that’s at least twice as many. And I think they are more closely packed in each line than we usually have as well. I don’t know what the cost of doubling or trebling the number of stewards would be. But particularly bearing in mind we’d only need to do it two or three times a year in this division, and employing people on an ad hoc basis is the most expensive way to do it, it might not be as trivial as all that. And the revenue isn’t £30 a seat anyway, it’s about £19 on average isn’t it?

Agreed about the desirability of getting people in. But I don’t think it’s the financial no brainer a lot of people seem to assume.
 
FishofContemplation said:
There’s a double line in the pictured scenario though. So that’s at least twice as many. And I think they are more closely packed in each line than we usually have as well. I don’t know what the cost of doubling or trebling the number of stewards would be. But particularly bearing in mind we’d only need to do it two or three times a year in this division, and employing people on an ad hoc basis is the most expensive way to do it, it might not be as trivial as all that. And the revenue isn’t £30 a seat anyway, it’s about £19 on average isn’t it?

Agreed about the desirability of getting people in. But I don’t think it’s the financial no brainer a lot of people seem to assume.
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Actual revenue is about £12 a seat to the club.
 
FishofContemplation said:
There’s a double line in the pictured scenario though. So that’s at least twice as many. And I think they are more closely packed in each line than we usually have as well. I don’t know what the cost of doubling or trebling the number of stewards would be. But particularly bearing in mind we’d only need to do it two or three times a year in this division, and employing people on an ad hoc basis is the most expensive way to do it, it might not be as trivial as all that. And the revenue isn’t £30 a seat anyway, it’s about £19 on average isn’t it?

Agreed about the desirability of getting people in. But I don’t think it’s the financial no brainer a lot of people seem to assume.
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The away end at spurs v arsenal..
 

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RobertTheBruce said:
Actual revenue is about £12 a seat to the club.
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But not on match day prices its not, which is what we are talking about here.
The average revenue for each match day ticket sold vs empty for segregation would be at least £20 post VAT, even allowing for kids.
A thousand extra tickets, £20k minimum post tax, and pre food and drink.
Would pay for 200 additional stewards, even if they cost £100 per match each fully loaded, which I'm not sure they do?
I don't think they'd need an additional 200 would they...?
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
The away end at spurs v arsenal..
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Fair enough, except that appears to have a fence. So now you’re not doing the segregation with stewards alone. But you are requiring a structural change to the ground which as others have said might not be compatible with what’s underneath in the concourse anyway. You still have to do the maths, just different maths. How much is that going to cost? And what is the result in extra revenue?

I don’t think any of these options are going to be cheap. I don’t think the club is declining to sell these seats because it wants to annoy us. I think it’s declining to sell these seats because it’s not worth it to try. Not for two or three times a year in this division anyway.
 
indeedido said:
But not on match day prices its not, which is what we are talking about here.
The average revenue for each match day ticket sold vs empty for segregation would be at least £20 post VAT, even allowing for kids.
A thousand extra tickets, £20k minimum post tax, and pre food and drink.
Would pay for 200 additional stewards, even if they cost £100 per match each fully loaded, which I'm not sure they do?
I don't think they'd need an additional 200 would they...?
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Spot on. I don't see where £12 comes from. Even after VAT.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Fair enough, except that appears to have a fence. So now you’re not doing the segregation with stewards alone. But you are requiring a structural change to the ground which as others have said might not be compatible with what’s underneath in the concourse anyway. You still have to do the maths, just different maths. How much is that going to cost? And what is the result in extra revenue?

I don’t think any of these options are going to be cheap. I don’t think the club is declining to sell these seats because it wants to annoy us. I think it’s declining to sell these seats because it’s not worth it to try. Not for two or three times a year in this division anyway.
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As I said it's more of issue for the prem should we get there.
 
Mysonpat. said:
What a good idea, it would cut down on swathes of seats having to be left empty and number of stewards needed to man it.
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Yeah, obviously depending upon how much weight the roof structure could take for which a full survey, perhaps even involving stress test could be undertaken, but you could have steel channels inverted and bolted onto the roof support, running lengthways, parallel to the pitch. The fence structures would fold up into each other and be supported from above by pulley wheels, fitted to remain in the channels, that could be locked into a position in the channel, when above the area of seats that you wanted to put a divide.

You would also have channels cut into the terrace floor, that ran parallel to the pitch, same as above. Of a narrower dimension obviously to prevent a trip hazard.

The fence simply unfolds and is brought down until the base section of it reached the terracing floor, with it shaped to fit over rows of seats, meaning you could have it literally anywhere in the east stand where you deemed appropriate, not counting the access stepped areas.

Once in position and down, the fence could be locked into the relevant place in the channels underfoot. The control box area could be manned by a couple of stewards, far less than needed to segregate the full supporters sections by manpower and you'd only be losing a single vertical line of seats.

Should the worst happen, ie dangers of a crush against the fence, a fire or such like, then the controls could be operated to unlock at the bottom and raise the fence back up into the roof structure from whence it came, possibly rigging the control box up to a battery outlet also, just in the event of power failure during an emergency.
 
Malaguena said:
And for many years after the stadium opened, the North Stand was the most popular in the stadium - things change and can be changed. Indeed the club moved them from their original SE corner position to where they are now. Move them again.

.... and I was under the impression we were all Boro fans, not just the ones who currently want to be in the South Stand.
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I don’t think you’ve fully appreciated how any of this has developed over the years. They organically formed in the south east corner which was completely empty at the time. Then they were involved in the discussions when the big screen was put in and chose to collectively move to the south, which was empty as it was the away fans. To move to the north would require a mass displacement and there’s a large core of supporters who have been at the new holgate end since it opened. It would suit no one .
 
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